my dyno numbers are in.

[88beast]

benton ur all in youre like i wanna mod something but yet that thing dont even move on its own

 

[Agnem]

i know just i thought it got fixed but i guess not.

Looks like it got fixed Jared. Thanks to whichever mod covered that. I see there has been a lot of movement on this thread over the weekend. Keep up the friendly discussion.

 

[riotwarrior]

I was boosting the same pressures with the old compressor.

What old compressor? What style/type turbo was the OLD one

Also, how did you increase the x over pipe dia? Can you provide pics?


Is your x over ceramic coated or just wrapped?

 

[Clydesdale]

Pretty cool stuff... Kinda wishing I had stayed 6.9 now instead of turning CLyde into a big *** lawn ornament with no completion date set for re assembly....

 

[93turbo_animal]

I'm with Darrin on this one cause everyone is always worried about pump and injectors and as we have seen in the past most good running IDI's run about the same HP TQ numbers no matter what pump and inj they are running the only difference here is the air side. As for the difference in dynos the only true way to compare is on the same dyno same day but I do know that the dyno in bowling green came no where close to working my truck as it barely made 1000 deg and 20 psi while on the street I can hit well over 1400 deg and 27psi. Also for future reference everyone should look up hp and tq definitions. All dynos measure TQ and calculate HP

 

[88 Ford]

93turbo animal, when you put your idi on the dyno what did you hit powerwise? Also with the fact that the boost and egts weren't as high as normal proves the dynos don't load our trucks enough to get an accurate reading most of the time. So, some truck might be making a lil bit more power than they think they are imo.

 

[hesutton]

My DPS pump clearly out performed the Moose pump. My torque curve comes on faster, and is much flatter, over 100ft-lb tq more (150lb more on a dynojet), with a broader RPM range. Heaths jumps up and dives straight back down. I'm also running DPS stage 1 sticks.

My HP also has a broader range, and although his flattened out, mine was still rising, it never flattened out. I cant wait to see what it looks like when I re-pull @ 20+psi.

Congrats on the great numbers. Very impressive. You've done some good work with your IDI and it shows.

Not to start an argument, but above quote is apples and oranges my friend:

PUMP CLEARY OUT PERFORMED???? No, not at all. I had the same IP and injectors you are running. See the sheets posted in the sticky for my numbers. Joe (liddledoggie) has the same IP and injectors you are running. His numbers are posted in the FAQ. There are other variables at play, the IP and injectors where supposedly the same DPS units.

The dyno you pulled on was using an accelerometer to measure power. The dyno used by myself and others was not. The graphs are not compairable as one measures power over engine RPM, the other measures power over time. Marnin's graphs look very similar to yours as he also dyno'ed without RPM measures.

I'm not saying your numbers are wrong, or inaccurate, or whatever.... I believe they are real. But, I disagree completely, that this is a true "Pepsi Challege" of Moose vs. DPS performance. You want that, you need to do what I did. Buy both, and dyno both on the same truck with the same setup.....

Otherwise........ it's just Apples and Oranges.

Heath

 

[NMB2]

Congrats on the great numbers. Very impressive. You've done some good work with your IDI and it shows.

Not to start an argument, but above quote is apples and oranges my friend:

PUMP CLEARY OUT PERFORMED???? No, not at all. I had the same IP and injectors you are running. See the sheets posted in the sticky for my numbers. Joe (liddledoggie) has the same IP and injectors you are running. His numbers are posted in the FAQ. There are other variables at play, the IP and injectors where supposedly the same DPS units.

Only explanation is that either tuned my engine better than you did yours, which I personally think is part of it, and/or my injectors/pump are different than what you ran. Ken says they're the same, but without having them side by side, cannot tell.

The dyno you pulled on was using an accelerometer to measure power. The dyno used by myself and others was not. The graphs are not comparable as one measures power over engine RPM, the other measures power over time. Marnin's graphs look very similar to yours as he also dyno'ed without RPM measures.

You need to do a little more research on the subject heath. I posted a pretty good read at the beginning of the thread. The difference is that a Dynojet measures it by a known weight of the rollers (which is why they dyno so high), the mustang dyno uses an Eddy break which loads the vehicle/gives real world driving scenario, which is why it is more accurate/better to tune with. It has nothing to do with RPM vs Time. My sheet shows time because I didn't have a crank sensor hooked up, all this means is you calculate the HP yourself.

I'm not saying your numbers are wrong, or inaccurate, or whatever.... I believe they are real. But, I disagree completely, that this is a true "Pepsi Challenge" of Moose vs. DPS performance. You want that, you need to do what I did. Buy both, and dyno both on the same truck with the same setup.....

You can disagree all you want, but I work in exacts and facts. Just because you or someone else disagrees does not change reality. If you don't believe that this is a true challenge of DPS vs Moose, you are promoting the idea that I can build/tune an IDI better than anyone else here, I kind of like that idea.. and agree to an extent, however I think others would find that harder to swallow.

Regardless, I have already said it once, I will not guinea pig my truck, switching fuel systems and others trying to find differences. I will build my truck/motor as I see fit to my best knowledge, and Until someone else can beat me, or I find a flaw with my building style, I will not change it.

Otherwise........ it's just Apples and Oranges.

I am just as sick of DPS vs Moose debate than anyone, so I guess we can turn this into a NMB2 vs (insert name) build comparison, either way, I still put down a sh*t load more power than anyone else.
Heath

And this is the reason you wont see me around too much more. I disproved everyone, and still catch flack. This just means that this little group has run off somebody with true potential for these motors, because it isnt worth my time to post my results, and try to help people, to also have to walk on egg shells and defend my position and listen to excuses and speculation on how mine doesnt fully count.

 

[snaponprofile]

At least put her on a dynojet.

 

[Darrin Tosh]

And this is the reason you wont see me around too much more

Really?,.,..THIS is the reason,...?

Come on Suck it up and take it like a man,..95% of the post in this thread has been positive towards your results, One guy shows up and gives you an argument and you get all pissy about it,..?

Heath brings up some good points, some of wich, many here have bee wondering about, but didnt have the balls to post em,,..now someone does and all you want to do is take your ball and go home,.

Grow up,... its going to be ok...

 

[snaponprofile]

602 rwtq wow

Wow, those are some good numbers!!! I wonder what your numbers will be next run? Also I think those are the highest numbers I have seen. Does anyone know what type of dyno Heath's pull was on?

Oh and So many thought 300 hp and 600 lb-ft were nearly unachievable. Those are moderate mods on your engine and now your next run will prove differently!

pretty dang impressive!
thats a lot of nuts getting to the ground.

your success has now traveled to another diesel forum.

Just on page one, what negative feedback!!!!!

 

[DeepRoots]

double post

 

[DeepRoots]

Simply put, many many of us have similar fuel systems.
The only thing different with your setup is the Turbo.
Your setup makes WAY more power than anything we've seen here.

Naturally, who wouldn't be skeptical and want to ask alot of questions?
When this becomes a board where people just agree with whatever is said, and they stop questioning everything, I would no longer want to be a member here.

Every line of work involves peer review. If you cannot stand up to peer review, well.... I dunno what to say.

Best of luck,
Drew

 

[hesutton]

WOH! Take a breath and read what I posted. I'm not sure why you think this is a contest of some sort. My post was simply pointing out that a graph of power vs. time is going to be different than power vs. RPM. That's why there is a different "curve" between your graph and others posted (not just mine). Tuning has nothing to do with what Ken does the IP and injectors. Why would my (or Joe's) curve be so different with the same DPS fuel than yours. The data collected and graphed is different, that's why. Thus comparing the two is fruitless as you have no idea what your power is doing during changes in RPM. And, until you test pump to pump and injector to injector and on the same truck.... you CANNOT say, one is better than the other.... APPLES AND ORANGES!

I never intended to build "the most powerful IDI" on OB. I never cared if it was dynoing more that anyone else. I dyno'ed to see what difference there was between the DPS stuff I had vs. the Moose stuff I have now. Tuning? Really? I just put on a Banks turbo anyone can buy, and tried different IP's (timed via a meter) and Injectors.

You're sick of "DSP vs Moose"????? Really? Then why make such a statement that "DPS cleary outperformed Moose"????? You're inviting that very argument! In fact a good majority of YOUR posts are arguing that point.

THIS IS NOT A CONTEST!

RELAX!

Heath

 

[flareside_thun]

Ha! You're sick of the DPS VS. MOOSE debate but yet you're the one doing the instigating here. Grow up, if your attitude is what comes with a powerful combination of parts on these old chuggers then I don't want it.