Carrier/facet pump observations

[Clb]

For them guys searching....
The e4'Oh dee... pullin in high\od gear with a banks aint the same as an 093 with an zf5 for comparo.
Boost and rpm matters more.
My fauwcett is goin on the shelf soon.
Btw
Never lost my *** pulling with the filter light on for loooooong pulls.
But Ibet the egt issues and loss of boost, came by the same problem.!!!?
Still seein h2o spikeing when the light is on and boost drops.....
Till next time cb out

 

[Clb]

So has anyone tested the factory filter for restrictions over the dual setups offered by the good guys???
After a few k pulling my 7k fifth around, I never feel chitt before during or after the light comes on...
But loss of gitieUPP, AND road speed...
Need to add an intercooler, and a splitter fer the gears....
To be continued

 

[tbrumm]

So I know this is really overkill for our fuel system, but other than cost, why isn't anybody running one of these pumps, especially you guys with the big IP's and intercooled turbos?

https://airdogliftpumps.com/product/airdog-r1sbu369-raptor-pump-universal-100gph/

Yeah, it is expensive, but by the time you take into account that a Facet (or a Holley) is over $100, then add in a by-pass style regulator and hose/fittings in the case of the Holley and you are into nearly another $100. Also with the Holley, you know you will eventually be replacing it somewhere down the line.

In my case, between two Facets and a regulator/hose/fittings I am nearly to the cost of the Raptor. And unlike the other pumps, this thing also gets the air out of the fuel, doesn't it? And it has a lifetime warranty on it.

Discuss!

 

[BrianX128]

I dont think theres variance in the pumps output, just in the injection pump usage and calibration.

It's just weird because I have used different 40222's on the same truck with different results.

I've also forgot to turn the toggle switch on for the relay to the facet pump and drove the truck 22 miles with no "lift pump" at all so honestly short of priming the system and keeping the pump from being at negative pressure wearing out the IP, I don't know if we aren't making overkill out of what the IP really "wants" to run properly. As long as your pushing fuel at the IP somehow and any form of positive pressure, I'd wager your not going to notice much of a difference. Even going up some super steep hills at wot without remembering to turn my facet on, the truck was billowing out some black smoke so it still had enough fuel to be "overfueling" but I can see wanting to constant psi for timing and whatnot. I just wonder how much it matters.

 

[tjsea]

So I know this is really overkill for our fuel system, but other than cost, why isn't anybody running one of these pumps, especially you guys with the big IP's and intercooled turbos?

https://airdogliftpumps.com/product/airdog-r1sbu369-raptor-pump-universal-100gph/

Yeah, it is expensive, but by the time you take into account that a Facet (or a Holley) is over $100, then add in a by-pass style regulator and hose/fittings in the case of the Holley and you are into nearly another $100. Also with the Holley, you know you will eventually be replacing it somewhere down the line.

In my case, between two Facets and a regulator/hose/fittings I am nearly to the cost of the Raptor. And unlike the other pumps, this thing also gets the air out of the fuel, doesn't it? And it has a lifetime warranty on it.

Discuss!

I've got a FASS system with filters on my truck. I was having priming issues, but that turned out to be a missing filter sealing ring someone left out when changing the water separator. Since then it's been working great. If I had to do it again I'd go with an Airdog brand with an adjustable regulator though. FASS requires changing springs and fittings to get the pressure low enough. The raptor pump you shared doesn't separate out air, it is strictly a lift pump. The ones with filters are the ones that take any air out of the system. @no_mufflers is using the raptor pump on his truck I believe.

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[Clb]

Fwiw
6500 miles towing from sea level over the I5 north bound, into alaska and back with the light on often still going (sux sweating it failing, ) holley on deck in case.
I think these work, just not well.
Now the newly found ford pn. Needs verification as to manufacturer and quality.
It seems awesome if...
It lasts, I dought my fear of a crank case full of diesel would go un noticed (due to a no fuel to ip situ) although some have driven with no epump power without issue?????? Hmmm
Will not puke a diaphram in 20k miles
Keeps 5 psi alldayLONG
Who cares about price.

 

[Cubey]

Since the mechanical lift pump is a fixed displacement, we can multiply our idle speed by 5 to see what minimum volume we should be getting at 3500 which would be the rpm which the most fuel would be needed for the IP. 15 gph x 5 = 75 gph.

This means we should at the least have 75 gph to supply a stock IDI, whether turbo or na ford doesnt seem to think it matters.

It curious that Oreilly (and all brands sold on rockauto) lists the mechanical pump as 30gph "average flow".

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/...7/1985/ford/e-350-econoline?q=fuel+pump&pos=0

I think I will bite the bullet and try the Facet 40222 at 33gph pump. I have to baby the throttle on hills in the RV to control EGTs anyway (1985 Isspro gauge) due to no cold air intake with the van ATS kit. I'm never in a hurry so creeping over mountains in the truck lane doesn't bother me. I might grab a cheap mechanical pump from rockauto if i order something else with it soon and stash in a cabinet for an emergency backup. Facet is half the cost of a Holley and doesn't need a pressure regulator so it seems like a decent choice for my needs.

 

[Cubey]

I just noticed something that is probably worth mentioning. The 40223 from Napa (40222 with a Packard connector) says this:

"Rated For -40 - 180 Deg F"

If you mount it in the engine bay, it could easily see well over 180F and would probably not pump as well from overheating. I wonder if that's why it's sucky for some people when really being pushed hard (along with the engine) up hills. Frame rail mounted would solve that, but I know some people are in cold climates where salt eats everything so it's not a good place for them.

 

[Oledirtypearl86]

just noticed something that is probably worth mentioning. The 40223 from Napa (40222 with a Packard connector) says this:

Also there are two different napa facet pumps one is only rated 1 to 4 psi and the other is 4 to 7 I'll double check those numbers tomorrow but that might be a issue for some

 

[Cubey]

Also there are two different napa facet pumps one is only rated 1 to 4 psi and the other is 4 to 7 I'll double check those numbers tomorrow but that might be a issue for some

40222/40223 is rated 9-11.5psi.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_6102400

 

[Oledirtypearl86]

40222/40223 is rated 9-11.5psi.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_6102400

I bet your right and balkamp aka napa ha one more that is a bit higher psi

 

[Cubey]

I bet your right and balkamp aka napa ha one more that is a bit higher psi

And reading an old thread on here about 40222/40223, the point is made on page 3 that the IP never actually sees that from these pumps after the fuel filter restricts it. 7 is more like what it sees at the IP.

https://www.oilburners.net/threads/facet-duralift-40223.75566/

 

[Cubey]

For some odd reason, there is also the Seachoice/Facet 20331 which is identical to 40222 but it's marked as racing only, and that it's probably against the law to use even for casual off road use, much less on road. It's still made in USA but it's cheaper:

https://www.boatid.com/seachoice/du...ggYgTo9NZe6ezbs8aP6shmdWE8nJW-ikaAlr3EALw_wcB

 

[Cubey]

And a even cheaper alternative is the Facet 40185 cube pump, if you don't want the mesh strainer. Same 9-11.5psi, but 1gph less. Since I will be running a 30 micron Racor WS/filter pre-lift pump, I could put this between the Racor and stock fuel filter, no strainer needed. But it comes with a little one anyway if you want to use it.

https://aftermark.net/40185-facet-cube-solid-state-fuel-pump-12-volt-9-0-11-5-psi-32-gph/

 

[dgr]

"...This solid state fuel pump can be used on: refrigeration trucks, marine generator sets, diesel filtration systems...."
I do love me some closed course refrigeration truck races.

If you're travelling around and some backyard mechanic in Texas replaces your fuel pump and uses that one, who is going to know or care? I would have no concern over running a "race only" pump.