Ataylor
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Just curious if anyone has a gauge on their manual transmission. How warm do they run while towing? ZF-5 or T-19
Just curious,
Thanks,
Archie
Just curious,
Thanks,
Archie
How hot does a manual trans get?
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FordGuy100
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My guess is as hot as a rear diff? No clutches or torque converter to heat up tranny fluid like a auto has.
I installed a temperature gauge on my ZF a couple of months ago. I've towed my trailer for about 3K miles now and I can report that my ZF gets HOT! As in: 265* occasionally. That's towing, though. Usually driving around town after a half hour I'll be up to 190*. One of these days I'm going to install a tranny cooler.
i know they get warm, the zf6 speed in my work truck has a factory cooler on it and after long trips i can feel the heat in the shifter.
One thing to remember about these transmissions.... they are alluminum. They are alluminum HEAT SINKS. The will suck heat right off of the motor, so you can expect them to get to at least water temperature at a minimum on lenghty trips.
oldblue05
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never thought of that, but makes perfect sense
Just remember that the ZF5 doesn't use the oil for anything hydraulic, just lubrication, unlike an auto which has a pump and requires a little more out of the fluid.
Not saying a cooler is a bad idea, just saying that getting ATF (or gear oil for those of you running it) hot in a manual trans isn't as big of a deal as keeping it cool in an automatic.
Also remember that if you are going to install a cooler on a ZF5, you'll need a circulation pump as I don't think there's a factory provision for any external cooler.
Interesting thread nonetheless.
Not saying a cooler is a bad idea, just saying that getting ATF (or gear oil for those of you running it) hot in a manual trans isn't as big of a deal as keeping it cool in an automatic.
Also remember that if you are going to install a cooler on a ZF5, you'll need a circulation pump as I don't think there's a factory provision for any external cooler.
Interesting thread nonetheless.
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Many of the Dodge/Cummins guys have fabricated pumped coolers with the return nozzles brazed into the PTO plates such that the fluid sprays directly on the main-shaft bearings.
Most also include a filter head in the plumbing.
I have a system all designed in my skull, but have yet to implement it.
Also, there are some finned aluminum "blocks" that replace the PTO covers and provide a couple extra quarts of lube capacity, plus also being heat-dissipaters; those are very popular on the Dodge sites, yet I seldom see mention of them on here.
Most also include a filter head in the plumbing.
I have a system all designed in my skull, but have yet to implement it.
Also, there are some finned aluminum "blocks" that replace the PTO covers and provide a couple extra quarts of lube capacity, plus also being heat-dissipaters; those are very popular on the Dodge sites, yet I seldom see mention of them on here.
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Also, there are some finned aluminum "blocks" that replace the PTO covers and provide a couple extra quarts of lube capacity, plus also being heat-dissipaters; those are very popular on the Dodge sites, yet I seldom see mention of them on here.
Here is a picture of the PTO coolers :
http://www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FC-4556BD-KIT
Carry on.
Don't have a manual tranny, but just read in a 1938 Popular Mechanics mag. that putting a rubber hose over the stick will absorb the gear noise. Might even insulate the heat from it. Good Idea?
Diesel_brad
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can't hurt...but a ZF shift stick is already a composite metal/rubber sandwich.
Thanks. Learn something new every day. Just hate it when a day goes by without learning something new.
here's another thing I do.
with age and miles, the upper part of the stick will separate from the rubber middle. this is good for two reasons. One. there's now only a 4 inch stub of a shifter for a truck thief to grab onto when they attempt to steal my truck. It takes at least three gears to get through an intersection from a dead stop. they will be busy shifting and not going fast or far. As a result, it makes it very easy to screw a .357 into their ear while they are still in the parking lot. Coupled with the conversation starter of "MSG and hot water will clean out blood and brain matter from my interior." self-preservation will kick in most opportunistic thieves at that point.
The second part is the removable shift handle is hollow. it can be filled with lead to the point where the rubber fits into the handle. two good things come from this. one. the vibration from the trans becomes non-existent, two. the handle doubles up as a billy club.
with age and miles, the upper part of the stick will separate from the rubber middle. this is good for two reasons. One. there's now only a 4 inch stub of a shifter for a truck thief to grab onto when they attempt to steal my truck. It takes at least three gears to get through an intersection from a dead stop. they will be busy shifting and not going fast or far. As a result, it makes it very easy to screw a .357 into their ear while they are still in the parking lot. Coupled with the conversation starter of "MSG and hot water will clean out blood and brain matter from my interior." self-preservation will kick in most opportunistic thieves at that point.
The second part is the removable shift handle is hollow. it can be filled with lead to the point where the rubber fits into the handle. two good things come from this. one. the vibration from the trans becomes non-existent, two. the handle doubles up as a billy club.
