Driveline changes for ZF5 vs C6

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Happy late Thanksgiving everyone! The 6.9 has deposited its rods through the block, and it is time for a new one. Concurrently my C6 is slipping and needs some love so I am making the jump to the ZF5. I am of course trying to cheat and reuse my same drivelines but the length of the trans concerns me. Wondering if anyone remembers whether or not they needed different drivelines or got away with the originals on a swap like this
 

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Yes pretty sure you will be modding one.
Search the tech 101's I think you might find one for driveline, eta Looks like I was wrong...
 
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I believe its a direct swap. I've done t19 to zf5 direct swap everything for everything and I've done c6 to t19 direct swap everything for everything so it should work. Obviously the clutch/flywheel stuff doesn't swap between any of the 3 but everything else did from cross member to tcase to driveshafts. Iirc I've read you can use a 87 6.9 zf5 clutch on a t19 6.9 SMF because the 6.9 didn't have a DMF and 87 a zf5 was avalible but it was still 6.9 so they just bolted a different clutch to the factory 6.9 SMF.
 

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I did this exact swap on my 89. I bought a 1989 wrecked donor.

The c6 driveshaft would have worked. But I picked up the donor driveshaft and it was 3 times as heavy as the c6 driveshaft and it had larger u-joints. So I decided to take and swap yokes on the rearend and use the heavier driveshaft from the donor. But like I said I tried it, the original c6 driveshaft would have worked, it was just a little bit longer than the zf shaft.

The bottom transmission crossmember was exactly the same between the c6 and the zf, I held them up side by side. But to use it with the zf I had to move it back on the frame 1 inch. My 89 frame had the holes drilled already. But the upper crossmember pieces on each side for the c6 would not work. No extra holes on the top part of the frame. I got the upper zf crossmember pieces, they have more of a offset to them and they fit perfectly in the original two upper c6 holes in the frame.

The wiring was plug and play. There is a large electrical plug under the brake booster area. The most aggravating part of this was getting the wiring strap loose on top of the frame that holds this harness. Once I got that off on each truck, the zf harness plugged right into the large plug, and plugged into the reverse switch and the transfer case switch. WARNING; Happens everytime people do this swap, they get it all together and the truck will not crank. That is because your c6 had a neutral safety switch and wiring in this harness, the zf does not have a neutral safety. But the zf harness I plugged in has a jumper made into the harness just for this purpose. If you do not have the factory zf harness, you will have to make a jumper for the two red/blue wires that went to the c6 neutral safety.

You need the floor cover from the zf truck. It is higher to have more clearance for the zf. Of course I just swapped this out, it's easier if you take the seat out. If you do this first,, the upper bellhousing bolts will be staring right at you through the hole in the floorboard.

You will need to swap pedals. Ford in their wisdom ran the speedometer cable right through a hole in the pedal assembly, so you have to pull the cluster and disconnect the speedometer cable. Just another aggravation to add to the list. My truck had a little cover plate where the clutch master mounts, I just took this out and bolted in the master from the other truck. I think some of the earlier trucks are not already drilled, but have dimples marking the location where you need to drill the firewall.

The steering column; I elected not to swap steering columns. I took the shifter lever off, but I had to take a piece of wire and tie up the lever at the bottom of the column to hold the old auto shifter mechanism up in park position. If you do not do this, it will fall down and then when you turn the truck off, it will not let you turn it back far enough to get the key out, it thinks the truck is still in gear.
 

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Awesome info, especially the floor cover being taller, I spaced that part completely. Its a shame the yokes are bigger for the ZF5 vs the C6 but I'm just looking to get this thing pieced together and mobile for now so I can see if the motor is any good. Sounds like I should have gotten a donor for the crossmember plates and floor cover though
 

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Awesome info, especially the floor cover being taller, I spaced that part completely. Its a shame the yokes are bigger for the ZF5 vs the C6 but I'm just looking to get this thing pieced together and mobile for now so I can see if the motor is any good. Sounds like I should have gotten a donor for the crossmember plates and floor cover though
Use your old c6 shaft. It will fit right in. The splines on the c6 yoke are the same as the zf, so it goes right in. And of course it will fit on your rearend, it was there when the c6 was in place. Not sure why Ford used a different shaft. The rearend ratios were the same truck to truck.

I thought if I did not have the zf upper pieces, that I could have moved the lower crossmember back and lined the holes up, and then hold the c6 upper short crossmembers up on the frame and see if at least one of the old upper frame holes would be in the vicinity of the old c6 piece. I would then get something and mark the upper frame hole position onto the c6 crossmember, and drill a new hole in it and use at least one bolt through it. Ideally you could hold the c6 crossmember up and mark the frame and drill new holes in the frame, but drilling the upper part of the frame looks very difficult to me.
 

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No frame drilling for me, definitely not above doing new holes in the crossmember itself though. Driveshaft wise my BW1345 has a flange rear so no splines to worry about, meanwhile the Dana 70u to Ford 10.25 swap im doing the u joints are interchangeable so no worries there either. Currently sourcing up my options for a floor cover as these ZF5 covers seem to be unobtanium here, are the late model automatic covers taller than the C6? Im fully capable of cutting my own holes as long as it sits at the right height to seal it up properly
 

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I do not know how "picky" you are. You could get everything in place, and then sit the c6 cover over the zf and see how bad it is. Maybe you could get by with a few "relief" cuts and a hammer for clearance, and then use some fiberglass matt to cover over the carnage and seal it back up.
 

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That's not the worst plan I've ever carried out. Pickiness isn't too big a problem as long as the result isn't half baked, main picky thing is wind noise and thermal insulation from the turbo/trans/back of motor but I may just check clearances out once I get the ZF5 in. That will have to wait until I get a clutch installed though.
 

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