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Agnem

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Hi everyone. We recently attended the 2014 Association of Diesel Specialists convention in Las Vegas, and I wanted to share with you a few anecdotes that may have an impact on our group and our hobby.

A large amount of content was focused on "Clean Diesel" and the lastest EPA emissions requirements, as well as a focus on the new automotive diesel models that are coming out. One of the presentations was by a representative of the Diesel Technology Forum, which is an advocate group for the manufacturers, and a proponent of clean diesel. The DTF is actively concerned with eliminating the negativity that surrounds older diesel vehicles and their smokey history. A large amount of the presentation was devoted to trying to combat the image of diesels as presented by "the coal rolling crowd". They included a segment of the Colbert Report and played it for all to see. I could not find the full version that we were shown, but the segment is included in this weekly wrap up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6oTvU2Tx80) and a lot of the content duplicated at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxgz6rOI_c . The DTF is increasing the awareness of the negativity surrounding this kind of activity, and you can bet that efforts will be forthcoming to penalize anyone who represents a threat to the image of clean diesel. What this means is, that the noose is going to be tightening further, and now you can see the politics behind it. We were quick to point out to various manufactures that a lack of support for older models exacerbates the problem, and we also talked about how the "coal rolling crowd" is a very small percentage of diesel pickup owners. Unfortunately, social media has allowed this small voice a very loud volume which is now being heard and seen as a threat. As the old saying goes, "it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the while bunch." The new Chevy Cruize, while technologically superior, has not reached the sales goals GM had hoped for, and negativity surrounding diesel is one of the reasons why they feel this may be the case. Of course the large elephant in the room, which no one brought up, was cost and sustainability. I talked with several attendees, guest speakers and manufacturer representatives about the out of control costs of new trucks, the excessive labor needed to service them, and the cost of parts (as an example, if your SCR system fails, it's going to cost you $3000 to replace that one SKU. No one seemed to have an answer, and I got the feeling that different parts of the country have different feelings about this. In my conservative county, no one is in a hurry to run out and spend $60K on a new truck that will be worth $9K in 10 years.

In the good news department, we spoke with Stanadyne, and there is no loss of support now, or in the planned future for DB2 parts. The government still has a lot of these units in service, and their military contracts will require them to keep making parts for the foreseeable future. However, they are no longer manufacturing injectors for the 6.9/7.3. Fortunately there are 2 other manufactures still able to supply them.
 

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A few coal rolling fools can make for big voices Mel. Those idiots don't represent the majority either but.. Someone wants them to. Thats why it gets loud out there. Glad to know Stanadyne will continue you supply parts. I understand cheaper offshore parts can be bought cheaper but when your done. You have a cheaply rebuilt pump. I really don't know if that better or worse than a wrecking yard pump thats tested for flow. Then cleaned off and painted. Then sold as rebuilt. Both are not what I will trust.
 

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I hate the coal rolling crowd with a passion. Bunch of ****** slack-jawed ********* is what they are. Around these parts they're the type who couldn't finish high school, can't clean themselves up worth crap, and are not very intelligent. There's been a huge propagation of the 'redneck culture', where people see a glorified version of it where people act like jackasses, and now they have to go around one-upping each other all under the pretense of being a 'proud redneck'.
 

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These posers see this **** on tv. Utube and anywhere something can be uploaded for viewing. Its really childish actions removing all doubt that these bunch of as so well described... Slack jawed rollers are just emulating others cause they are wanna bes... I wonder what they want to be when they grow up.. Probably have no ambitions of ever growing up or just have never given it a thought....
 

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Ironically, the majority of people I see out there rolling coal are driving fairly new trucks with a tuner that will make lots of soot. Not to long ago I saw a truck that was either a 6.4 or 6.7 leaving a huge trail of soot along with inevitable erratic driving.

These videos of people rolling coal have been around for a long time, some at least 5 years. It wasn't until the last few month when the media hyped it up did people start freaking out about it.

My concern is that older trucks will become the biggest target. In California we have been lucky to not have to smog '97 and older diesel pickups. Given California's stance on vehicle emissions, it's surprising that we don't have emissions testings while other states do. My truck doesn't make any smoke normally, unless under heavy throttle. In the mountains I have seen it make black smoke, but that's only if I lug the engine, which I try to avoid.

The problem is that our old diesel will make some amount of smoke no matter how well maintained they are. If people are out on a witch hunt for those rolling coal, it's only a matter of time before they believe an IDI making a thin haze of smoke is someone trying to roll coal.
 

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In Denver vehicles that are 31 years or older have to pass one emissions test then can be platted as a collector and never need another test until sold to someone else...next year I'm in.
 

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Given California's stance on vehicle emissions, it's surprising that we don't have emissions testings while other states do. My truck doesn't make any smoke normally, unless under heavy throttle. In the mountains I have seen it make black smoke, but that's only if I lug the engine, which I try to avoid.
It makes sense in one context...as far as California's concerned, you can't run an emissions test on an engine without a computer to plug into, and 1998 was the first year that all diesel pickup trucks had computers (with the introduction of the 24 valve ISB). Thankfully, they've had the common sense to grandfather in older vehicles and bet on attrition so far, with the notable exception of 15K+ trucks (which even this lefty is outraged about).

The problem is that our old diesel will make some amount of smoke no matter how well maintained they are. If people are out on a witch hunt for those rolling coal, it's only a matter of time before they believe an IDI making a thin haze of smoke is someone trying to roll coal.
I've gotten hit with an 1-800-EXHAUST call-in a few times now, probably due to the RDT more than anything else (my exhaust doesn't smoke much unless there's a load on the truck). Fortunately, it's just a nag letter and not binding...

As to the larger issue...yes, there are people out on a witch-hunt to try and condemn all diesels, and what the "diesel-ricer" punks don't realize is that all they're doing is giving ammunition to the witch-hunt crowd. It would be nice if more people understood the concept of responsibility... *sigh*
 

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It makes sense in one context...as far as California's concerned, you can't run an emissions test on an engine without a computer to plug into,

When Denver Metro started their program years ago for Gassers...if your car was before the computer age you had to go to an Independent Tester that used Old School Equipment that analyzed exhaust gasses at different RPM levels without the use of a Dyno/Treadmill. Now all vehicles test on a Dyno, plug in or not, except 1975 an older (have to purchase Collector Plates), 1975 to 1983 have to pass one Etest.

Diesels were not part of the program at first but have been reeled in over the years...still becoming familiar with the test as I need one soon. From DMV..."An opacity meter is used to measure how much the air pollutant obscures sight through the exhaust smoke."

As for the bad apples rolling coal...I remember my thought process wasn't to sharp back in the day but as I grew older and a little wiser common sense started to kick in. Hopefully the older and wiser folks can get a hold of some of these guys and explain to them in terms they understand what the consequences might be if they continue.
 

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I was once a 'roller'. It was a non turbo VW. That was about ten diesel powered vehicles ago. I am as anti-coal rolling as it gets from diesel owners currently. I try to convince the kids at work that there are big hp tunes out there that don't belch smoke. Most of the tuners for Powerstrokes are trying to stay away from smoke from what i see. It only makes sense. All this bad publicity is going to result in more complicated and expensive trucks for all of us.

Proud to be stock 2005 F250 6.0 with a cat AND muffler!
 

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All this is one of the reasons why I am pursuing better turbochargers. Our Moose Pumps will definitely make you coal rolling able, unless you have the air to burn that fuel. As I explained to a couple of people "my customers are interested in more power. Not really more smoke. But smoke is the result of a lack of aftermarket support which I am trying to address." That was a conversation I had with Garrett, when I was complaining to them about availability on some of their models.

As for Stanadyne and China, I hate to say it, but yeah. They opened one new manufacturing plant in South Carolina, and closed the other ones. All our pump parts now come from their chinese plant. The new plant in SC is only building common rail stuff. All the engineering and global operations are still here in Connecticut, and they do quality control checks and oversea the foreign operations. About the worst thing we see in quality control is just some of the seal kits have extra parts, or are missing parts. That would be bad news for someone making a one time purchase, but we use enough of them that we always have all the seals we need.
 

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In Texas, there are no emission testing for the older diesels like my 93, and there never have been. I suggest that anyone that is concerned about laws on this or any topic to write whomever they need regarding this issue and keep at til you receive a specific reply. Some laws change only because a single side is heard. Rolling coal or any other activity might **** off some people, but has no real effect as most people take no action of any kind.
 

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Ironically, the majority of people I see out there rolling coal are driving fairly new trucks with a tuner that will make lots of soot. Not to long ago I saw a truck that was either a 6.4 or 6.7 leaving a huge trail of soot along with inevitable erratic driving.

These videos of people rolling coal have been around for a long time, some at least 5 years. It wasn't until the last few month when the media hyped it up did people start freaking out about it.

My concern is that older trucks will become the biggest target. In California we have been lucky to not have to smog '97 and older diesel pickups. Given California's stance on vehicle emissions, it's surprising that we don't have emissions testings while other states do. My truck doesn't make any smoke normally, unless under heavy throttle. In the mountains I have seen it make black smoke, but that's only if I lug the engine, which I try to avoid.

The problem is that our old diesel will make some amount of smoke no matter how well maintained they are. If people are out on a witch hunt for those rolling coal, it's only a matter of time before they believe an IDI making a thin haze of smoke is someone trying to roll coal.

Exactly, my IDIs burn pretty darn clean compared to all the late model Dodges I see belching smoke. From what I understand it's pretty easy to make the Cummins roll coal and so the ********* that have them feel compelled to do so.
 
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