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Appleseed Processor

Discussion in 'BioDiesel & Alternative Fuels' started by argve, Oct 2, 2005.

  1. argve

    argve Resident Fruitcake Staff Member

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    Well today when I went to fuel up I hit the roof (so to say) fuel took a big jump this week and I've had it. So I'm in the process of sourcing the parts and pieces to make an Appleseed Processor. I will try to take some photo's along the way to show what I've done and give reports here.

    So far today I got the pump for circulation, hand rotary pump for transferring the used oil from whatever to whatever, ordered up a couple of jugs for doing the mixing, ordered the hose that I will need for all this, also ordered a jug to give to a diner that agrees to give away their oil and lastly off ebay ordered up the tritration solution stuff.

    Buddy of mine is sourcing out a used water heater and I'm gonna stop by a place on the way home to see about getting some barrels for storage and transportation of the oil here at the house.

    Fuel prices just sent me over the edge today - I was a screaming mad man at the pump -cuss

    I think I read girl_mark's book twice today alone.

    There is a little oriental restaurant just a stones throw away that I'm gonna hit up probably next weekend as an oil source. I have read that Oriental restaurants typically have pretty decent oil (can't remember where I read that but it was somewhere) so figured what the heck it's close so....

    Stay tuned for further updates or listen for the boom (when I blow myself up - HOA would love that wouldn't they LOL )
     
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    Bio-Bradley Registered User

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    I know it's 13.5 years later, but did you do it? I'd like to hear any success/failure stories you want to share. Thanks!
     
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    I built an appleseed processor about 13 years ago, and made biodiesel in it for several years. I haven't made any in at least 5 years now. I blend only diesel and a small amount of gas with WVO. Its much easier.
     
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    I've been reading about biodiesel and/or VO use in my truck. I can definitely see how running wvo/svo would be easier. Especially if you have an auxiliary tank and supplemental heat for the fuel lines.

    My biggest concerns so far are coking with straight SVO/WVO, and freezing temperatures where I live. Seems like you could steal enough heat from the cooling system, but I haven't crunched the numbers
     
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    I have no supplemental heat. I tried it for a while but found it more of a hassle than it was worth. If it will start, it will run on wvo. I blend to get it through the filters in cold weather.
     
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    How long have you been running without heat? From what I've read, seems like most folks run into viscosity or coking issues with cold oil. Suppose your blend must be working well.

    I haven't read about many successful blends of WVO. Would you mind sharing your ratios?

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    I run 80/20 wvo/diesel. In winter I replace 2.5 gallons of wvo per barrel with unleaded to help it start on cold mornings and burn more completely.
    Been doing that for 12 years now, with about 200K miles and 100s of hours on tractor and backhoe.
    I don't get involved in the online banter. Everyone has an opinion, and many folks feel like theirs is worth posting on the internet. I made biodiesel early because of what i read online and fears of engine damage, but I just haven't seen it. I think good filtration and a lack of saturated fats in the oil is critical.
    I do use a block heater on my mercedes cars more than most. If its below freezing I have a hard time starting those without it.
    I keep one tank of diesel in my fords and they always start on that. The rotary injection pumps wont start on wvo like the bosch piston pumps on the benzes will.
     
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    The other thing I have found is you need to be careful with the unleaded if you are working the engines hard. There is lots on the internet about using unleaded to blend year round, but I have found if you are towing or running full hp for extended periods (bushogging or baling hay) any unleaded in the blend will shut the engine down in warm weather. My theory is that it volatilizes in the hot injection pump and airlocks the pump.
    Its never hurt anything, but it has left me on the side of the road and sitting in the hayfield until the engine cools. They will run fine when cool again.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your experience. The great thing about the internet is that you can learn more about nearly anything. The bad thing is that it tends to inflate negative experiences and opinions. I've always had good experiences on this forum, granted I'm not terribly active.

    I'm relieved that you've nearly done a quarter million miles with alternative fuel. Especially because I recently replaced my IP and injectors. I agree that processing of the feedstock is likely the most important step. It's too bad WVO isn't officially recognized as a fuel like biodiesel.

    With your IDI on alternative fuels, did you adjust injection timing to accommodate the lower cetane values? I'm not sure how much of an issue altering the timing would be on a turbocharged motor, but hopefully wouldn't cause issues with peak cylinder pressures or EGT's.

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    I ran my turbo ford advanced for quite a while, but I recently moved it back to 9.5 and like it better there. Advanced it smoked too much.
    One warning, if you get crappy fuel it shows up as a sticking metering valve in the fords. That has happened to me several times over the years. It will clear up with trans fluid and time, but it happens.
    I did blend a couple gallons of 20+ year old gasoline in my fuel about three years ago and I will never do that again.
    I didn't think my metering valve would ever quit sticking after that
     

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