Mitsu and Nippond are gear reduction. The Delco is straight drive.
I like the Nippondenso sytle best as well.
Heath
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Mitsu and Nippond are gear reduction. The Delco is straight drive.
I like the Nippondenso sytle best as well.
Heath
I'm not positive, but I'm guessing it is Part: RAY 2446265
This is the unit my Napa stocks, so unless that's changed, that's what they would've sent. Of course, that was back in simpler times when I thought a starter was a starter
So the Mitsu is a non-offset gear reduction? This is really getting tricky...
Black dawg
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the mitsu is osgr, next time you look at one you will see.
david_lee
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why not buy a new gear reduction starter? They can be had for $122.00 with free shipping from DB Electrical. check out this very recent thread on them http://www.oilburners.net/forums/showthread.php?t=52727&page=7. see post #98 on page 7 for the links i posted for purchasing new units for a low price and definately check out post #118 on page 8 to see the original poster's reaction to his first experience with his new starter. i can also attest to the benefits of moving the driver side battery to behind the passenger battery. then the further benefits of replacing all the battery cables with new ones.
I guess I don't know jack about starters. I consider this straight
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and this off-set.
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The only thing I see off-set on the Mitsu is the solenoid.
So basically, if both these are osgr, the best way to refer to my new favorite starter is Nippondenso style?
rhkcommander
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I'mm running a nippo and am very happy with it 
david_lee
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my mistake, 8973, i should have clarified that i was directing my comment more towards black dawg and any others that may be considering or on the fence regarding this upgrade.
i know i worded it as a general statement, but i hadn't overlooked the fact that you got yours as a replacement for a poorly rebuilt original style starter. i guess i figured you wouldn't need another new one
Ahh.
I will second your advice.
$122 for a new Nippo style is a great deal. I was quoted more than that for a new Delco at shop cost. My cost on a Napa new is $188.
The interesting thing to me, is that I've never owned an IDI that didn't start with a bump of the key. To be brutally honest, none of my starters have ever had to work for a living, with the exception of the one in the Moosestang which was trying to start a motor running on WMO. THAT starter, should be gold plated and hung on a wall. I have no idea what it is, but it should have smoked many times over as long as I cranked with it and it never let me down. I'll find out at Thanksgiving when I pull the motor.
funnyman06
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This is a straight unit, i swapped it out for a Mitsu osgr starter.
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RyanDamo
1 IDI 2 Strokes
i have had really go luck with the db electrical starter also and for price you cant go wrong
I read this whole thread, and something I ran into was not mentioned so I will throw it in;
I came across a 89 f350 cab and chassis with a dump bed, a friend bought it. It had been passed from one person to another, it would not start reliably. It had monster aftermarket cables on it, and the starter looked fairly new. The newest owner(the friend) decided it needed new batteries, and it still would not crank very well. So he put a new rebuilt starter on it, and it still would crank slow. So I ended up looking at it.
I decided after some voltage checks to change the starter again with a known good used one I had from my donor truck. As soon as I took it off I saw the problem. The mounting face where the starter mounted was rusty, dirty, and even had some aluminum corrosion on it from one of the old starters. I had to take a grinder and lightly run over the whole surface to get it down to good clean metal.
Well, that fixed that one, cranks over really good and starts like it's supposed to.
I came across a 89 f350 cab and chassis with a dump bed, a friend bought it. It had been passed from one person to another, it would not start reliably. It had monster aftermarket cables on it, and the starter looked fairly new. The newest owner(the friend) decided it needed new batteries, and it still would not crank very well. So he put a new rebuilt starter on it, and it still would crank slow. So I ended up looking at it.
I decided after some voltage checks to change the starter again with a known good used one I had from my donor truck. As soon as I took it off I saw the problem. The mounting face where the starter mounted was rusty, dirty, and even had some aluminum corrosion on it from one of the old starters. I had to take a grinder and lightly run over the whole surface to get it down to good clean metal.
Well, that fixed that one, cranks over really good and starts like it's supposed to.
GOOSE
Happy IDI'er
I went to my local guy and he suggested I buy a Denso reduction stater as well. He sold me a new original Nippendenso unit and I am quite pleased with it over my Mitsubishi. He told me the Delco starters were so bad that the cores weren't even worth any money.
Hopefully with a new engine and a good injection system my Denso will have it easy for some time to come.
Hopefully with a new engine and a good injection system my Denso will have it easy for some time to come.Black dawg
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ok, I did some testing.
Original mitsu 3.6kw osgr 510 amps 300rpm
nippondenso 2.5kw osgr 512 amps 300rpm
both tests on same truck bat voltage at 12.5 for both and stabilized 60deg shop temp
I couldnt find my rpm measuring tool, but I didnt think they would be this close. I had my hopes up that the denso would be much faster. somanabitch.
Original mitsu 3.6kw osgr 510 amps 300rpm
nippondenso 2.5kw osgr 512 amps 300rpm
both tests on same truck bat voltage at 12.5 for both and stabilized 60deg shop temp
I couldnt find my rpm measuring tool, but I didnt think they would be this close. I had my hopes up that the denso would be much faster. somanabitch.
