Which impact is better, air or electric?

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I'm comming up on my birthday, and my wife has given me the green light to buy an impact. If I go with air, I'll get an IR 231, but I got to thinking about it and I'm wondering if I shouldn't get an electric instead. What do you guys think?

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How's your air supply? I have a large and a small IR air gun, love both of them! Never tried electric, but I have an 80 gallon compressor out of an old service station.
 

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do you have a decent compressor and a fair amount of hose? if yes then I'd suggest the air impact, they are lighter and much more powerful than the electric versions.

the only real benefit to the electrics is convenience, aka you don't have to buy a compressor to use it, and if you get the 12 volt versions you can haul it around in your toolbox and use it anywhere you happen to be.
 

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I have an electric gun here. I tried to haul the lug nuts off my pickup with an air gun and it wouldn't do it. I hammered the electric gun on them and it spun it right off! They might not be the lightest rigs, but they work DAMN good!
 

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I only have a 20 gal tank on a portable compressor and a 5 gal portable tank that I normally keep plumbed in when I'm actually doing something with it. The compressor is a Speedaire, but the motor on it is smaller than what they currently sell. I know that it charges from 0 to 135 psi in about 3 or 4 min, but I'll have to check the actual CFM rating before I buy an impact. The IR 231 model says it only uses 4.2 cfm, and I think my compressor could at least come close to keeping up with that. I have a sufficient supply of hose, and it wouldn't bother me to have to buy another roll of it. I also have a 50 ft 12 AWG extension cord, and I'm more prone to use the extension cord so that I don't get as much of a loss as I would with the air hose.
 

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I extremely dislike impact wrenches, as people get carried away and use them on all sorts of stuff where hand-tools are much safer/better and less destructive.

NOBODY has ever used an impact on the lug-nuts of any vehicle of mine once I become the owner, and I will take an axe-handle to anyone that uses one on anything else. :backoff


That being said, an impact sometimes has it's place; so, when you get one, get a powerful one.

The electric is probably handier where electric is available.

The air can be used with an engine-powered compressor, far from any cords.

The reason all the tire-shops and garages use air is more on account of the risk of electrocution from dragging a cord across sharp corners and working around metal; nobody has been electrocuted with an air-hose yet.;Really

They are fast for taking apart old rusty stuff where you care not that the threads get stripped, such as dis-mantling something headed for the scrappers or taking apart a huge grain-bin; for working on anything you care about, leave it locked in the closet. ;Sweet
 

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This is true. I've seen people remove AND INSTALL headbolts on a 3406B Cat....that was the shop/trucking company owner trying to save money on buying a big torque wrench. And yes, 2 or 3 head bolts did break within 6 weeks, I am not sure if this was the cause, but why chance the risk?

The only time I used that impact gun of mine was to remove the wheels and just run the nuts snug, then I torque them with my torque wrench. Which made my girlfriend ask why I even bought the gun lol
 

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Air all the way.. You want portability then get a 20 lb CO2 tank to power it. I carry all my air tools on the tow rig and the CO2 goes on the wheeler for airing up tires etc. :D

Electric impacts do work well but I can't find a plug in 20 miles from the pavement most of the time.. LOL
 

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I have a Porter-Cable 1/2 inch impact wrench, which I run from a Porter-Cable 5 gallon side-stack 5.3 CFM portable compressor-- which most people would say is undersized for the impact wrench.

I find that as long as I'm willing to pause when I hear the compressor kick on, it runs the wrench just fine. For non-pro use, how often do you need to sit there and use an impact wrench without interruption, anyway? If something comes on or off, it does it in a second or less, and then there's usually some time before you have the next one ready anyways.

As to the detractors of impact wrenches, I, too detest situations where people over-use them to do things like install lug nuts. Properly used, though, you can regulate the torque. And for taking apart corroded items, I find that one can often get things apart-- more readily AND with less net damage-- than with a breaker bar; the many small impulses of torque seem to work corroded threads apart more easily, and with less damage, than one steady application of torque which might just twist something into pieces. Like any tool, it's all about using it properly for the proper applications.
 

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I have a Porter-Cable 1/2 inch impact wrench, which I run from a Porter-Cable 5 gallon side-stack 5.3 CFM portable compressor-- which most people would say is undersized for the impact wrench.

I find that as long as I'm willing to pause when I hear the compressor kick on, it runs the wrench just fine. For non-pro use, how often do you need to sit there and use an impact wrench without interruption, anyway? If something comes on or off, it does it in a second or less, and then there's usually some time before you have the next one ready anyways.

As to the detractors of impact wrenches, I, too detest situations where people over-use them to do things like install lug nuts. Properly used, though, you can regulate the torque. And for taking apart corroded items, I find that one can often get things apart-- more readily AND with less net damage-- than with a breaker bar; the many small impulses of torque seem to work corroded threads apart more easily, and with less damage, than one steady application of torque which might just twist something into pieces. Like any tool, it's all about using it properly for the proper applications.
 

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As to the detractors of impact wrenches, I, too detest situations where people over-use them to do things like install lug nuts. Properly used, though, you can regulate the torque. And for taking apart corroded items, I find that one can often get things apart-- more readily AND with less net damage-- than with a breaker bar; the many small impulses of torque seem to work corroded threads apart more easily, and with less damage, than one steady application of torque which might just twist something into pieces. Like any tool, it's all about using it properly for the proper applications.





Exactly, some people just don't understand that the torque is adjustable on the impact... I set mine on 1 when I install my beadlock bolts. 15 ft lbs is about 2 hits of the anvil, saves me a couple hours over hand torquing 96 bolts in 3 stages to get even torque.
 

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I live by my cordless electric impact. It doesn't have the power of the bigger electric units, or most air stuff, but it can be used for just about everything. It isn't capable of overtorquing most things, so, it is a very handy tool. Tighten stuff down with it, then finish off with hand tools.
 

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Lowes had a combo 231 and air ratchet for 139 fo r a while. Air all the way, I have a milwaukee cordless 1/2 inch, it is nice but for full time mechanicing ,air is the only way.

And to impact haters, as with anything there are people that shouldnt use them. I have been wrenching 30+ years, they are a must tool.
 

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hmmm, this is an interesting read...

I am currently replacing the rotors on my idi rig, and I am at the stage of installing new wheel studs. I have no compressor so I was wondering if an electric impact could pull the new studs in all the way. Normally I'd just get the compressor and impact, but I know it takes a decent setup that I cannot currently afford.

Anyone know if an electric would work? I've seen 300ft/lbs units out there for pretty cheap.
 

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hmmm, this is an interesting read...

I am currently replacing the rotors on my idi rig, and I am at the stage of installing new wheel studs. I have no compressor so I was wondering if an electric impact could pull the new studs in all the way. Normally I'd just get the compressor and impact, but I know it takes a decent setup that I cannot currently afford.

Anyone know if an electric would work? I've seen 300ft/lbs units out there for pretty cheap.


This is a real good example of a situation where an impact will do much damage and cause someone a lot of grief later,

When you try to "pull" wheel-studs into the seats with any kind of rotating tool, be it a ratchet or worse an impact-wrench, the splines can be stripped with you not knowing it until later.

We often have to fight with studs that spin in the hub from the splines being stripped, instead of the nut coming off; such a situation makes for a no-profit job and a lot of headaches. -cuss


Use a proper punch and drive them in. ;Sweet
 

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