Towing with E4OD

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Wow, I start a thread and my internet goes down for 1 1/2 days. wonder what kind of discount I'll get on this cut rate DSL service?

So where & what do I need to install a tranny temp gauge?
 

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i would also add a shift kit there cheep and give you a firmer shift which helps save the clutch discs in the trany
 

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Wow, I start a thread and my internet goes down for 1 1/2 days. wonder what kind of discount I'll get on this cut rate DSL service?

At least you can get DSL!!!!!!

I have been trying for years now to get somesort of high speed internet and i can't get it. Sat. internet is way out of the budget for me.

You wouldn't happen to have ATT DSL would you?
 

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embarq / sprint / whatever they call the company now?? If I didn't have hi speed I would get a iphone instead of my imac.

I was told not to shift kit an e4OD?? not sure why.
I guess All I can really do is drive it till it blows. I thought about getting a different IDI with a stick shift, but my truck has a lot of new parts and runs really good and has been well maintaned with top quality fluids & sca's have been kept up with too. I'm just scared of the cost of a new bts tranny.
 

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a buddy at work was telling me about his wonderful 3rd generation dodge cummins truck, which the body is rusting to the ground.

150K miles, work includes but not limited to: 3 sets ball joints, track bars, 2 sets brakes & rotors, lift pump$$ injector Pump$$, NV4500 rebuild.

much other stuff I do not recall but the list was a horrific thing for me to hear as I was considering a cummins truck. It makes the BTS tranny seem cheap!

with purchase price + interest and repairs he said he has at least $$80K in the truck.
He said it was a really good dealcookoo
 

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Wow, I start a thread and my internet goes down for 1 1/2 days. wonder what kind of discount I'll get on this cut rate DSL service?

So where & what do I need to install a tranny temp gauge?

Install the temp guage in the pressure check port. Port is on the drivers side just ahead of the shift lever. Remove the plug and install the sensor. Use an electronic wired sensor.


Jim: Nice pic of Deva and the rig. See ya ina couple.
 

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Kinda cold in this pic. Done hijacking.
 

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So when towing with an E4od; if you are on a bit of an incline in O/D but the tranny is not haunting back and forth between 3rd and 4th....what are the benefits to cancelling O/D and holding it in 3rd? Other than more power from higher revs.

Cooler temps?
Less clutch wear?
What effect does lugging have on an E4od (not that I would ever lugg excessively)

For ex. would it be easier on the trans to tow at 2500rpm in 3rd gear or 2100rpm in 4th at the same speed, even though its not trying to shift back to 4th.
 

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Trust me I did some hardcore sled pulls with my like 20000 lb sled puls the shift kit and the torque converter will help you so much whoever told you it's bad to put a shift kit in a eod is wrong in any trany it helps with the pulling it allows firms shifts which save your clutch packs from slipping and it will drop your tranny due to less friction also the stock ford torque converters were porly designed and actuly wear themselves out and alow the converter to slip get. Low stall heavy duty torque converter
 

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So when towing with an E4od; if you are on a bit of an incline in O/D but the tranny is not haunting back and forth between 3rd and 4th....what are the benefits to cancelling O/D and holding it in 3rd? Other than more power from higher revs.

Cooler temps?
Less clutch wear?
What effect does lugging have on an E4od (not that I would ever lugg excessively)

For ex. would it be easier on the trans to tow at 2500rpm in 3rd gear or 2100rpm in 4th at the same speed, even though its not trying to shift back to 4th.

You can almost think of it like how higher RPMs can keep EGTs under control.

Increasing engine RPM will also increase the pump speed in the transmission, and that means higher flow through the cooler. However since this is a hydraulic system, more flow also increases friction and the effect likely isn't linear (double engine RPM does not mean double the cooling of the transmission). Avoid using a manual torque converter unlock feature if you are on long steep hills at highway speed. The slip in the converter will add significant amounts of heat to the transmission even if you are at high engine RPMs.

If you are slipping one of the clutches at any point once in gear and hauling, you have minutes to pull over (maybe closer to seconds depending on how bad it is). Slipping shouldn't at happen ANY time no matter how much you are lugging it. If it slips, somethings wrong.

2500 RPM is a good speed for engine and transmission if you are loaded heavy enough to justify it. Since diesels run unthrottled, you are letting the engine ingest large amounts of air under those conditions for direct - in chamber cooling. (engine braking is an extremely effective way to rapidly bring EGTs down because of this) However, if you aren't wanting for extra power on flat ground, its just wasting fuel and you don't need the extra margin (but in terms of reliability, it won't hurt).

A few ways I decide to hit the cancel switch, or not are:

1: If EGTs are higher in overdrive than in the lower gear (by a significant amount, say more than 250F)

2; If coal starts rolling out the tailpipe (this doesn't always result in high EGTs if at lower RPMs and low power settings)

3; If the engine accelerates easily after downshifting (this is something I learned to anticipate) but NOT adding more fuel. Conversely, on flat ground popping it back into a higher gear for the same fuel settings can show the speedometer rise slowly. This last one is where it gets really finicky and aside from learning your own vehicle's ideal operating charactaristics, this doesn't have much to do with reliability anymore.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is drive the truck how it wants to be driven. Listen to the vehicle, get a feel for the powerband and the limits of the engine and take it from there.

Having a good transmission temperature gauge (which has been on my todo list for a few years now...:rolleyes:) is always a good idea. Having a good Pyrometer is also a good idea (mine busted almost a year ago, yeah I'm one to talk:dunno-cuss)
 

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Bill - a shot of Deva last week on an Allis G9 before I left for
California ....... you stay cool ;Sweet

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Sorry, this isn't related to the thread, but I have to say that is priceless! Reminds me of my little girl. Just adorable Jim!

Heath
 

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Apple of my eye ....

Sorry, this isn't related to the thread, but I have to say that is priceless! Reminds me of my little girl. Just adorable Jim!

Heath

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Sure folks won't mind ;)

I missed her 6th birthday last week being on the road


Jim
 

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