DPS-Performance :( Rip Off? HELP

Cowboy.2010

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Hey Guys I recently sent an injection pump and injectors to dps on on october,18,2012 and I have still not recieved my pump or injectors. when I called befor I sent everything he told me it should take no more than 3 days to rebuild everything and how ever long it takes to ship it back. My check was cashed on the 25 of october and after some time they never came in so I thought I would check up on them thinking maybe there was a problem or maybe they just got busy on somthing else even tho I would think he should call to let me no. I emailed him on november 4 and he emailed me back and said he was done with the pump and would have everything shipped wednesday on the 7th of november. It is now november 21 and I have still not recieved my pump or injectors I have called over and over and left messages and emails and he will not respond to any of them. Has anyone had this kind of problem with him? I am wondering if anyone knows what I can do or what I should do. And does anyone no his full name? I have been very patient with him and very polite but I have just about had it with him. I live in Iberia, Missouri so it would be a little bit of a drive to get to him BUT IT CAN AND WILL BE DONE IF NEED BE!!! I think I am an easy person to get along with and I really hate being this way but I have alot of money invested in the pump and injectors and I believe he has had plenty of chances and time to explain what is going on. If anyone can help me in anyway I would really appreciate it.
 
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oct,,of 2010??? ok..and read the sticky at top,,of the hall of shame...
 

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Sorry about That it was october,18,2012 not 2010. I will get on the hall of shame and try to find some things on him. It cant make me anymore sick than I am about this whole situation I just wish there was more honest people in this world.
 

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Ken englsman (spelling?)


Obviously I broke the rules by making another screen name, and I fully expect this one to be banned soon after posting this.... but I feel that it is important that I post this here as well.... as I am single handedly responsible for Kens recent "success" in the IDI world again. I know that he is/was getting several people from this forum buying from him, based on my "cheerleading" if you will... and my success.

I am making this thread because although several were weary of Ken........... Ken turned out to be much more dirty than was originally proven....

Most of you already know the story of me joining OB in the fall of 2010, I am an abrasive person.... and although have since toned down, I can understand why I joined the Band here....

I then went over to PSN, also which story is well known.... what is not known is my personal encounters with Ken, behind the scenes. The point of this thread is not only to give factual information to deter people from using Ken........ its also to help give an explanation as to why my build didn't quite live up to the hype.

My experience of being ripped was a little different than what most experienced here, aside from my friend, Ryan Eklund...

When I started my build I called Ken and told him I needed something more than the turbo cal. He told me he had been working on a DB4 hybrid pump, to supply 150-180cc's of fuel. I told him to put me on the list, and a few months later I got my pump.

As everyone knows my pump failed at just 1,000 miles. The cam pin broke, and Ken blamed my fuel regulator, which I have no doubt helped with it... but he didn't tell me the whole story.

Fast forward 6,000 miles and 2 weeks ago... cam pin breaks again. I call Ken and tell him I'm pulling the pump apart so I can have the rotor EDM'd... he freaked out, threatened me with no warranty, and when I told him that was fine, could tell that he was just trying to prevent me from seeing the "secrets" in the pump.

I get all the machine work done, box the pump up, and send it to Ken on June 7th..... I called him to let him know it was on the way. During this conversation I asked him what was up with 6.9performances pump. He told me that those "Pennsylvania Clowns" ****ed with one of the fuel screws, messing up the calibration and that he wasn't going to pay the $350 to have it recalibrated.

I was confused as to why he would pay to do the work himself, when he told me that he was outsourcing it because he was too busy to do it. The next morning on my way to work, it just didn't sit right with me.... a high performance diesel shop, is going to send a 1 of 3 custom pump, to some other shop to calibrate for him....

I started doing some digging around, calling shops in his area, state wide, and then out of state until I finally found the creator of my DB4. Turns out he is also the creator of the turbo-cal and has never heard of Ken's crappy customer service, or shady dealings... go figure :rolleyes:

Him and I talk for nearly an hour, and in this conversation I find out a bunch of different things. First, he told Ken the cam pin was the weak point before the pump was ever built, and Ken decided to ignore it. Second, my pump was never 150cc's, and he never told Ken that. The DB4 project pumps were 120cc's @ 1400rpm max output..... Which brought me to my next question.... the other guys here paid nearly $1800, which was $800 more than me for an EDM'd pump putting out 180cc's.... Ken specifically told me these numbers. The pump builder just kind of chuckled and said... no, all 3 pumps are identical to each other.

I call Ken that following Monday to confirm he got the pump, he said he did and would tear into it that week.... I waited till Wednesday, called back.... over, and over, and over till he quit screening and BJ finally answered..... I said "Hey BJ, whats the status on my pump?"... he tells me Ken has it on the bench, but that's it. I said "really all I want to know is when it is going to make it over to "insert pump builders name"...... the phone went silent...

We had a long conversation, and explained I didn't really care that Ken was middle manning, what I cared about is that he lied so much... he was so worried about keeping this pump a secret that he lost his best customer, and his customer service sucks.... I recommended he go take some business ethics classes.... BJ and I went back and forth, he sympathized for me, and I told him that they had 48 hours to provide me a tracking number for the pump being sent to the builder, or being sent to me. He told me he would get it sent to the builder next day. I thanked him for being professional about it, and told him it was too bad it had to end this way, but I cannot work with a liar.

Friday rolls around, builder calls me, he has pump, but apparently Ken didn't agree with BJ. He tried telling the builder he had no rights to work directly with me, and that he had no proof the pump that was sent was mine... I tried calling Ken, but like the ***** he is, refused to take my call, and hung up on me when I called from another number....

I sent this email to him:

Ken, it has come to my attention that after sending my pump to the builder as I had asked, you then had a conversation with him, demanding that he not work on my pump via my instructions, and that he send the pump back to you. I informed him today that under no circumstance is he to release the pump to you. I know that you removed the pump from the original packaging to hide my address, but you left my receipt from the EDM shop in there, which has my name and card information on it. I also have a voice mail from Kerry (sp?) acknowledging that she sent my pump off, as well as pictures of the pump, its internals, the EDM'd rotor, and the serial tag.

There is no disputing that this pump is mine. I am releasing you from all liability tied to the pump and demanding that you not touch my pump, or any of its parts. I am terminating any all business relationship that I had with you and the pump's modifications are at my discretion and the discretion of any other person I choose. I have given "insert shop name here" my pump, and I am now working directly with them on the development of it. Machine work will be performed by who I choose.

I cc'd the builder in this email as well, so he will receive a copy for his records.

Justin Wheeler


I get a call from the builder about 45 minutes later telling me Ken called, pissed off, and gave up... the builder also informed Ken that he would no longer build pumps for him now that his true nature had been brought to light, and he didn't want to risk bad publicity on his shop, due to Ken.

That being said, I now have a direct relationship with this shop for the development of these pumps, and we have a relationship with a local to us shop.... so the quest for more fuel and higher performance IDI's is nowhere near over.... it is just beginning now that I've got Ken out of the way.

Looks to me like 6.9performance is probably going to have a little beef here as well.... he paid $1800 for a 180cc pump, and got a $1,000 120cc pump..... He is the one that REALLY got ripped....

Just to make a few things clear, that seemed to of been still unclear at the other forums.

1. Ken does build his "stage 1" injectors. Probably the reason for such hit and miss quality. Some get good sets, others get leaky... crappy sets.
2. Ken does NOT, and has never built the Turbo-Cal pumps...or any pumps for that matter. In addition, the builder has never had a pump come back, or heard of issues from Ken.
 

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Sorry to hear about your problem. Maybe see what the Better Business Bureau says about the situation. That guy needs to be shut down!
 

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Sorry to hear about your problem. Maybe see what the Better Business Bureau says about the situation. That guy needs to be shut down!

As much as BBB wants you to believe they have power, they can't to jack **** to any business.
 

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I would bet Ken is trying to find another rebuilder that will do it as cheap. You could try to call your bank about it but may be SOL. Credit cards can do charge backs but checks arent as safe...
 

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Just stay on him... I know its frustrating, but it was the exact same thing when I ordered his pump in 07 - 08 ish.... 3 months and countless phone calls I did finally get one back.
 

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I would try you bank as stated above. If it was bought cc or ran as credit on a debit the bank can and will investigate it. I bought injectors from him when I first got my truck. Before I was a member here and just a week ago he sent me a letter that said "we never got your cores if you don't return them you will be charged in a 14 days". He's an idiot. I sent my cores with return slip within a week of getting the new ones. Totally unorganized. Not to mention my injectors suck and were good only for about 1000 miles.
 

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I'd say just cancel the order demand the coin back and take him to court and move on...get MOOSE pump or other quaility rebuild from known reputable dealer...

Demand full refund, if he says it's getting shipped, say you will return the products, you found another reputable dealer. Then again demand refund, and say if it doesn't come, COURT baby...

... it's what I would do...oh and your time and such lost due to truck being down...that's gotta add up in small claims in eye of law in US doesn't it?

JM2CW

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Sorry to see another guy get ripped off by this goofball. I just got my " Turbo cal" Pump in the mail from NMB2, It is in a sealed bag and looks factory New. I know some people still get upset when NMB2 is talked about on this site, But I have met him in person at the Dyno day in Arlington WA and have done some buisness with him and he is one hell of a nice guy. If you want to get in touch with him he checks in on PowerStrokeNation or PM me your Number and I will foward it to him.
 

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Hate to say it but itll probbly be easiest to just try and get the charge retracted and go elsewhere although since it sounds like you already sent in cores youll probbly end up harrasing him and/or taking legal action to get anywhere as most places require a core for the IP.
 

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When you pay for something thru the US mail and are defrauded there is plenty you can do about it. Wire fraud thru the US mail is serious stuff. The Post Master General will go after him big time but you have to tell them about it. If the payment was thru paypal you have options there too. If you paid by credit card you can call fraud because you have not been satisfied and get a charge back... Then the really big guys go after him. Thats the merchant bank that covers every credir card transaction. I think the credit card is the easiest way to go if thats what you used. Just call them. Cancel the payment stateing the you never got what you paid for and the guy wont answer your calls. Simple.. Really sorry to learn this crap is still happening with Ken.. Thats no way to run a business. I know this is not his only line of work. This is a side line so this is not what he makes a living off of... Stil very sad...
 

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Since you paid by check over a month ago, your money is already in his bank account/pocket. Al (RiotWarrior) and Gary (Icanfixit) both have good ideas. First shot, contact Ken as Al suggested, and tell him the deal's off. He's got your money and you have no pump and no communication. Set a deadline to receive your refund. He either responds or not. Second shot, you do what Gary suggests - call in the big guns and nuke him. Document what you're doing and keep it polite and professional. Your record keeping will be important later and it always looks good to be on the side of the angels. :D
 

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I got lucky and after waiting a month canceled my card befpre he took the money. I have a post in the wall of shame about this scam artist as well.
 
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