Blowing running light fuses

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I'm searching down a short on my truck. It is blowing fuse number 4, for instrument illumination and running lights. When I put a new one in, it blows immediately. Just wondering if anyone has any pointers... there's a lot of wires on this truck and most are hard to get to.
 

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I bet you have something corroded in there. I had a van once that had a corroded connection in the back, by the hitch and it would blow the same fuse.
 

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Yup, trailer wiring has to be like dark magic to some people, some of the things I've seen are downright disturbing and defy all laws of physics and electricity.
 

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The first place I would look for a running-light short is in that big *** of wires that feed the fuse-block.

Take the two big screws out to access the back side of the fuse-block and you will most likely find a tan-colored, much too skinny, wire that has melted away most of it's insulation.

That wire is the culprit 99% of the time.

When I found out about it, I looked outside one night to see my truck lit up like Christmas, when THE SWITCH WAS OFF. :eek:

That tan wire had melted itself into contact with a constant HOT and powered up the marker circuit. ;Really
 

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>>> MORE PREACHING <<<

I will go ahead and say this again; trailer markers should IN NO WAY have anything connected to the truck markers or truck head-light switch, NOT EVEN VIA A RELAY.

The trailer markers should be independently controlled by a dedicated trailer-marker toggle-switch, connected directly to a fused constant HOT.

It gripes me to no end to be out with some knot-head and their trailer with the trailer-markers wired into the truck lights; usually, the entire night is spent swapping fuses and chasing light problems. cookoo
 

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I would disconnect the ABS memory keep-alive (also known as the test connector) to rule out the ABS system module as the source of your short. It is also fed by that fuse.
 

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I would disconnect the ABS memory keep-alive (also known as the test connector) to rule out the ABS system module as the source of your short. It is also fed by that fuse.

Where is this item?

Is it a dually?

Nope, SRW.

I looked in the trailer hitch plug and aside from a little rust, all looks good. Even if some screws are rusty, they aren't connecting to one another and shorting.

I appreciate the suggestions.
 

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Well after over six months of not having any running lights I finally tracked it down. Its not that I spent that much time looking for it, though I did spend more than a few hours on several different occasions. I was busy with other things and the truck was parked most of the winter.

Turned out to be caused by a wire spliced in for some running lights by a previous owner. When I got the truck it had running boards with five markers on each. I long ago took the boards off and clipped their power wire off and insulated the end. Well I finally figured out where that wire went. It was spliced in right at the drivers side headlight very, very, very poorly (if I have time I'll post a pic later). I was going to pull all the front bulbs (I had previously eliminated the rear half of the harness as my problem) and see if any of them were shorted. As soon as I saw this wire I figured it was probably the problem.

Just wanted to let the next guy know what the solution was. I found a lot of threads on similar problems, with solutions ranging from bad bulbs, burnt wires, frayed/loose wires, and on and on. I certainly learned on this one. Look at any non-factory wiring first, since it was most likely not done very well and may have been done unbelievably poorly. Electrical tape is not a sufficient insulator, at least not in vehicles which heat and cool constantly, and have oil and antifreeze and fuel and saltwater being splashed all over the place.
 

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i started soldering and shrink tubing every thing a few years ago.no more bad splices or tape falling off ;Sweet;Sweet
 

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i started soldering and shrink tubing every thing a few years ago.no more bad splices or tape falling off ;Sweet;Sweet


In this poverty-stricken dead-beat county where I grew up, EVERYONE just had a pocket-knife and some old sun-bleached black-tape as their entire electrical kit.

Fold the wire across the knife-blade and give it a jerk to cut it.

Whittle away the insulation just like one would whittle a point on a stick.

Twist the two wires together into a pointy shape, no matter if one is a 24AWG and the other a 2/0.

Now, start wrapping on the black tape, around and around, axle-grease all over the roll, plus remnants of that SKI that got spilled in the console, wrapping and stretching.

Now for the good part, once sufficient tape has been stretched and wadded around the splice, they hold the splice steady with one hand and SSSSTTTTTRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHH the tape until it finally snaps in two.


When I was growing up, and on into the early 1980s, there were two licensed electricians that the local RECC would sign off on to get your electric turned on.

Electric was some form of black magic; why, some guy off-barring at the saw-mill made the mistake of touching the rollers and it knocked off his boots and welded his zipper, killing him grave-yard dead.


Then, over at the packing-house, a guy wearing a long white shop-coat and black rubber boots, standing in six-inches of blood and bleach-water, was "lectrokuted" when an old three-**** Holstein come back to life with her throat cut and smashed the hook-rail into the 3-phase cable running along the wall; he died with his rubber boots on.


That stuff's dangerous and could get you :eek: killed; we better not mess with it.

So, we always called on one or the other of those two licensed electricians.

I kid you not, their only tools were a pocket-knife --- the same one they peeled apples with and castrated boar pigs ---, more than one roll of black-tape and maybe cleaner/fresher than the average bears, a claw-hammer for knocking out knock-outs, and a long straight-blade screw-driver that they used as a cold-chisel to tighten the toothed rings on the Romex connecters, to drive the screws that held the loops of wire onto the outlets and switches, to poke and pry and punch, and a thousand other purposes.

When those push-in (back-stabber) outlets/switches were introduced, they didn't need the screw-driver quite so often, so often they had to hunt for where they used it last when a job for it came up.

These guys completely installed the service in a filling station, the huge tire-shop that we still run, no less than five houses and several mobile-homes, and countless big barns, all for my father.

Neither of them ever owned a stripper, they just used their knife.

And, to cut the heavier wire, they used that cutting notch at the rear of the pliers.

Needless to say, I didn't have any good examples or better-knowing mentors to teach me any different.

I didn't even know that there was a better way.


I had a string of cattle-trailers and several trucks and the general rule was to have just a scattered light here and there that was lit.


Then, suitcase conectors came along; why they must have been good cause even Gooseneck used handfuls of them on their trailers.


These suitcase connectors brought about a new situation.

You would be cruising along with everything all lit up and then look down the side of the trailer and the last five or so lights on that side would not be burning.

Then, directly, they would be back on and maybe another few on the other side would be out.


We learned to reach under and give the wires a shake at every stop and most of the lights would stay lit.




:D Then, while building a railroad empire in the son's bedroom, I discovered soldering-irons and heat-shrink. :D


I thought "Hey; why can't I use this technology on my trailer wiring ??" :dunno



:backoff Now, I would put my wiring skills against anyones. :backoff

I am extremely obsessive/compulsive about my wiring and very proud in the fact that a trailer can sit back in the black-berry vines and honey-suckle for five years and, when I lift the lid on the receptacle and shove that 6-prong plug home, every single bulb lights, every signal flashes, the big flood-lights and spot-lights all shine brightly, the interior lights light the insides of the long trailer like a stock-yards at night; and, I can drag those trailers a thousand miles through rain, snow, ice, across old iron bridges, home-made box-culverts, and rail-road tracks, with big cows trying their best to wreck the trailer, and when I roll back in home, nary a bulb has had to be messed with.

:backoff That makes me proud to be an American. :D
 

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I kid you not, their only tools were a pocket-knife --- the same one they peeled apples with and castrated boar pigs ---

:rotflmao

I've been a career industrial electrician for a few years now and this really gave me one hellava laugh! LOL The old fart industrial electrician I learned from had even less, a screwdriver. That was it. I honestly saw him strip wires with his teeth before. Good thing no one turned on that 277 volt lighting circuit. :eek:

I have that same pocket knife... :D
 
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