Please Help! Cooling system problem

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First let me start off with saying hey my name is Preston. Some history on the truck 1987 F350 6.9l idi (I think) with estimate of 120,000 miles. I inherited the truck and my uncle who left me the truck never said how many times the odometer rolled over. The truck shows 20,000 miles now. The reason I say (I think) is because it has all the 7.3idi glow plug system, and belt system, but has the 6.9l 4 speed, and water separator, with factory paint color on the engine.

The problem is that it is blowing bubbles into the overflow tank.

I have searched all the posts and forums for answers to my problem but can’t come up with a solution. What I have done so far. The front water pump seal went out on the truck on a 150 mile commute with about 60 miles left to go. I had to keep stopping and fill the radiator with water and coolant to make it home. The truck never overheated (to my knowledge) or made any bad noises. It was running great and idling fine when I got home just leaking coolant. I replace the water pump and thermostat with factory ford parts. I cleaned the thermostat housing and check ball when replacing the thermostat. I pretested the thermostat and it functioned properly. I did put the thermostat in properly made sure of that. Once re-assembled I tested the check ball and it free moving (I can hear it clinking when I squeeze the upper radiator hose). For the water pump I did see some deterioration on the engine front cover plate behind the water pump impeller, but sanded it up and it got it pretty smooth. I installed the water pump and applied thread sealant to all the bolts (just as a precaution). The truck previously had green coolant, but I changed it to the Fleet charge pink with the SCA pre-added. I drained the entire cooling system (including block plugs), heater core, overflow hose, overflow tank, and flushed with distilled water. I put 5 gallons of coolant and the rest distilled water in it. The inside of the radiator does appear to have some scale in it. I plan to install a coolant filter once I get this problem is resolved. The truck cranks and idles great without any leaks.

The problem is that the truck is blowing bubbles into the overflow as it heats up and is warm. With the radiator cap off and the engine warm it is steaming out the radiator cap opening. I have a temp gun and the block, radiator, thermostat housing don’t get above 200 when sitting idling or driving. I have replaced the cap with a 13 psi cap. The exhaust does not smoke or smell sweet. The engine oil is not milky, and doesn’t appear to be eating coolant. It is however blowing what appears to be steam or smoke out the dipstick and oil filler cap. I think the CDR needs cleaning or replacing. I don’t see any condensation on the dipstick or under the oil filler cap. I did the combustion gas test with the coolant about 2” low in the radiator, and it did not change color, it will blow bubbles in to the cylinder with the blue fluid in it without pumping the primer bulb. I took the fluid around to the exhaust to make sure the fluid wasn’t bad and it turned color instantly. I pressure tested the coolant system cold and it will hold 16psi for as long as you want it to, I even tried turning the engine over (without it cranking) to see if one of the cylinder might have a hole in it but the gauge stays at 16pis no matter what. I just don’t know what else to do. I’m getting so frustrated and can’t figure this out. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Are you sure it's not just the system bleeding the air out? Depending on how you burped it when you put everything together, it may still have some air in there.

A little smoke/vapor out the oil filler or dipstick tube is normal, but a new CDR is good preventive maintenance.

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It could be air in the system, but I have driven the truck multiple times, you can see the coolant circulating in the radiator, and the heater is working great. I just got the truck up to operating temp and installed the pressure gauge on the radiator and pumped it to 13psi after idling for 20 min the gauge worked its way up 15 psi before I took it off. I didn't want to over pressurize the system. Any thoughts?
 

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Sounds to me like cooling system is just needing to be fully bled, and come up up to temp and cycle through the system. Good steep hill and work it going up forcing air up out of the system may work

For what you've done and posted I don't suspect anything out of the ordinary.

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If your water temp isn't spiking, and it's taking the usual amount of time to come up to temp and pressure. Then I doubt you have a HG failure. Usually when You're leaking combustion gasses into the water jacket, it overheats fast and will pressurize instantly. If you are really concerned, get a combustion gas test kit. That will tell you if you've got a head gasket leak. Or just need to bleed it.
 

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I feel like several above and you just have air escaping slowly from the cooling system.
 

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Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate your input. I will drive it for a couple weeks and keep a close eye on everything. If I identify a problem I will report back with a update. Thanks again!
 
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Just curious....


1. You say you put 5 gallons of coolant in, and the rest was distilled water. Do you have an idea how much you got in total? The system holds about 8 gallons.

2. Can you give a bit more detail on the steps you took to burp the system?

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Driving it is a good idea but make sure the coolant recovery tank is kept full so any trapped air thats replaced with coolant draw back from the tank is done. The plastic tank has 2 marks on the side of it to watch if its pulling or leaking out of the system. I check mine every day I operate my engine and at least once a week if its not driven at all. a leak using coolant and distilled water is hard to see sometimes. It wont leave a mineral stain on anything because their is no minerals in the water plus.. Its non conductive so no electrolysis will happen.
 

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I added 5 gallons of coolant, and approximately 3 gallons of distilled water. To refill the system I left the top radiator hose off and filled the system through the heater core hose port coming out the water pump. Once the coolant reached the level of this port I hooked the heater hose back up and began to fill the system through the thermostat housing neck. It was a slow process, I guess is had to drain around the little check ball. Once the coolant reached the top of the thermostat housing I reattached the upper radiator hose and finished toping the system off through the radiator.


To add an update when I drove the truck home from work this morning it got up to temperature and ran great. Once I reached the house I checked the overflow tank and it was not blowing any bubbles. I will keep you all updated, but for now it’s parked I will be out of town for a couple days.

Thanks again for the help!
 

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Great to see the update post. Also glad to know it drove nicely without coolant issues. I'm sure its going to be fine now but please keep a close eye on the recovery tank for level.
 

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Ok new 2 this site what the hell is the deal with these damn motors!!! 1990 7.3 IDI ok put a new radiator in it new Motorcraft thermostat when I took the old one out there was no rubber around it like the one I just put in not sure if it is something new they're doing or not. Maybe this came off and is blocking the system. All I know is the damn truck is overheating I didn't check the new thermostat but I don't think that's the problem because I checked the old one and it opened I think there is something stuck in the block possibly the rubber that came off the original thermostat. The heater blows hot air but not sure if that means squat. I have never had this much problem ever bleeding air out of a system. there is no overfill container just a hose I poured water in the filler neck even opened the extra fitting on the water pump and filled it with water and when putting water in the radiator watched that hole overfill. What's the deal do I need to park it on an incline and take the heater hose off or what! I have heat though I'm stumped! 2 days on this ***** now! Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanx Charlie
 

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These engines require an over flow tank for the coolant. Otherwise the coolant will be forced out of the radiator and lost. then when the coolant has cooled down it will suck in air instead of coolant.
 

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These engines require an over flow tank for the coolant. Otherwise the coolant will be forced out of the radiator and lost. then when the coolant has cooled down it will suck in air instead of coolant.

Gary is correct the coolant overflow tank, seals the system. Having the hose below the fluid level allows it to burp into the tank and draw fluid back in thus keeping the system functioning as designed.

If you don't have a recovery tank you won't properly be able to address the cooling system.

Get a tank, from a wrecker or what have you.
 

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