Fuel pressure question. Insufficient flow?

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I think I like the idea of the Powerstroke pump but I’m having a hard time finding a regulator that will regulate from 50psi down to 5psi. Turns out the one I have on the shelf has a max inlet pressure of 20psi.
Does anyone know of a regulator that will work?
 

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Currently I have a fuel pump for an early 24v cummins, not the in tank one, it was a huge difference from the 35-40gph parts store pumps, it works ok for the most part, it's loud though..

Whenever it takes a dump, I got a used powerstroke pump, gonna try that with a return style regulator, seems like some have had the return tee into the suction side with success..

I can attest to the bosch powerstroke pump longevity, I've had my 01 powerstroke 13 years now and a few hundred thousand miles without ever having to replace it
I have a 99-03 Powerstroke lift pump on my 91 with a regulator. It works fine. Genuine Bosch.
 

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Where do you have the return going? Suction side of the pump? I'm getting ready to venture into this after hunting season lol
Yes, suction side of the pump.

I have a six port three way manual valve instead of the original FSV, I wondered about returning the fuel from the pump to the tank with the rest of the fuel. That would increase fuel flow and could possibly change the fuel’s temperature.

I ordered a heat exchanger for coolant and fuel, as well as a 120v pump that I can tie into the same heater hose, and plug in with the block heater. It has a 100% duty cycle. I’m wondering if I could rig up a way to heat the fuel when the truck is sitting while cold. I still need to find a way to circulate fuel, but I think another 120v pump plumbed into a bypass, and utilizing the off position on my selector valve should make that possible. If not, I could at least have a way to sort of heat the fuel during the winter months while the truck is running, and I have a fuel cooler to keep it cool during the summer. Due to the fact I have a fuel temp gauge (an Isspro product) I should be able to test this stuff out. I know my fuel cooler makes a difference, I wonder what a higher rate of return flow would do…

Getting to be so much stuff under the hood and elsewhere around the truck, not as easy to work on as when I bought it…
 

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Holley makes a regulated return, with a port for a fuel pressure gauge. Stays stable at 8 psi with the PSD pump.
Cool. Any chance you have the part number available?

Are you happy with the PS pump? Would you use it again if you were starting from scratch?
 

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Here’s the link to the operation manual for the DB2:


Section 8 talks about fuel supply requirements, and calls for more than 0 but less than 5psi unless otherwise specified. The main thing is to keep the DB2 from overtaking the lift pump and pulling a vacuum. I think the reason different people have different “sweet spots” for inlet PSI is because they all have their timing set slightly different and the inlet PSI affects timing. I do think that’s a reason to have an oversized pump with regulator, it minimizes the difference in PSI from idle to full load and keeps your timing where you set it. Full disclosure though, I have the facet pump and it sits at 9psi at idle and drops to 6 when I have the pedal to the floor blowing smoke. I would like an upgraded pump to keep it steadier and around 5psi all the time.
 

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You know I never thought the electric fuel pump topic could get unearthed again, but this is a very good thread with some genuinely new information and hardware. Keep in mind that I haven't owned an IDI since just after Covid but I do have a fair amount of gasoline fuel system background.

i know it sounds crazy, but the answer to all this might be dual electric pumps. I know this seems overkill for a 400 cubic inch diesel engine that only seems to require 2-5psi of inlet pressure, but if you haven't been around the high horsepower drag race stuff for a while, i'll bring you up to speed: dual Walbro style pumps are quite common and can support upwards of 4-5 times what even the most stout IDI can put out with regards to horsepower.

Again, I know two pumps sounds crazy, but this is a complete assembly with two ethanol compatible pump delivering 340 LPM/90 gallons per hour, a billet outlet coupler, a very nicely engineered stainless steel mount, fuel socks and harness/connectors for each pump. That's a lot of hardware for $249. You would have to deal with a pressure regulator and return, but I think there are some pretty good solutions within this thread to address those items.

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By the way: if you think a single Walbro style might be good enough for your application, have at it. Racetronix makes a single inline style pump with a regulator designed for 7 psi carbureted applications. For $80, somebody with an IDI ought to try one as this really could solve a lot of problems at a very reasonable price point.

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Lastly, the supply chain and quality issues with electric fuel pumps are real and really did trash some products that seemed to work pretty well before they got "cost/quality reduced". I think it's worth pointing out that Racetronix shows the pumps on their website as genuine Walbro and Made in the USA (see above pic detail). I think this is pretty important regarding quality, availability and at what I think is a pretty competitive price.

Lastly, I don't work for or have any affiliation with Racetronix. I am familiar with their stuff as it's super popular with the drag race crowd and although I haven't made a pass in a drag car in more than a decade, I'm still around it as often as time allows. This was all done with a quick google search and the Racetronix stuff was at the top of most search lists.

That's my .02 worth. Unfortunately I only have a PSD in my driveway, so all of this will need somebody else to trial.

Again, this is a really good thread and it makes me happy that this group is still trying to find a good solution to the IDI fuel pump problems that continue to persist.
 

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Obviuosly, if there is any pressure at the ip inlet during extended wot you wont notice anything, but something that I have always assumed is that the pump needs good return fuel flow for cooling.
The 6.5 turbo engines, use a very small, very dependable and quiet electric lift pump. The pre efi pump looks the same, but has different specs, but both are really low gpm. In my experience, the db2 on the gm idi motors lasts much longer that the ones on the 6.9 7.3.
I recently put one on a turbo idi truck that tows several days a week. It barely maintains 2psi, and shows no fuel starve under any condition.will be interesting to see how it works long term.

This electric pump was to replace a mech pump that failed twice in one year, both times causing him broke down on the side of the road with a big load of hay in tow. Atleast with this pump it only takes a few minutes to change......
 

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Atleast with this pump it only takes a few minutes to change......
This is one reason why figuring out the e-pump is worth it. It's so much easier to keep a spare pump in the truck and just swap it in unless you install it in some god-forsaken manner.
 

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You know I never thought the electric fuel pump topic could get unearthed again, but this is a very good thread with some genuinely new information and hardware. Keep in mind that I haven't owned an IDI since just after Covid but I do have a fair amount of gasoline fuel system background.

i know it sounds crazy, but the answer to all this might be dual electric pumps. I know this seems overkill for a 400 cubic inch diesel engine that only seems to require 2-5psi of inlet pressure, but if you haven't been around the high horsepower drag race stuff for a while, i'll bring you up to speed: dual Walbro style pumps are quite common and can support upwards of 4-5 times what even the most stout IDI can put out with regards to horsepower.

Again, I know two pumps sounds crazy, but this is a complete assembly with two ethanol compatible pump delivering 340 LPM/90 gallons per hour, a billet outlet coupler, a very nicely engineered stainless steel mount, fuel socks and harness/connectors for each pump. That's a lot of hardware for $249. You would have to deal with a pressure regulator and return, but I think there are some pretty good solutions within this thread to address those items.

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By the way: if you think a single Walbro style might be good enough for your application, have at it. Racetronix makes a single inline style pump with a regulator designed for 7 psi carbureted applications. For $80, somebody with an IDI ought to try one as this really could solve a lot of problems at a very reasonable price point.

You must be registered for see images attach


Lastly, the supply chain and quality issues with electric fuel pumps are real and really did trash some products that seemed to work pretty well before they got "cost/quality reduced". I think it's worth pointing out that Racetronix shows the pumps on their website as genuine Walbro and Made in the USA (see above pic detail). I think this is pretty important regarding quality, availability and at what I think is a pretty competitive price.

Lastly, I don't work for or have any affiliation with Racetronix. I am familiar with their stuff as it's super popular with the drag race crowd and although I haven't made a pass in a drag car in more than a decade, I'm still around it as often as time allows. This was all done with a quick google search and the Racetronix stuff was at the top of most search lists.

That's my .02 worth. Unfortunately I only have a PSD in my driveway, so all of this will need somebody else to trial.

Again, this is a really good thread and it makes me happy that this group is still trying to find a good solution to the IDI fuel pump problems that continue to persist.
I like that $80 inline pump. I might give that a shot.
 
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