crank but no start 97 PSD

[res0wc18]

So this is my baby. very well taken care of. Driving home from work today about 25 miles an hour light throttle and the check engine light came on and engine died instantly out of no where.... Pulled off to side of road, replaced the CPS sensor with the gray one, which is the same one that was on it, pulled all neg cables for 5 mins. cranked her over and nothing. She cranks nice and fast but no fire...

On sunday(yesterday) the check engine light came on and it ran rough for 30 seconds or so, i hit the throttle and it was really delayed. then i let it idle out and returned to normal operation. Didn't have a problem with it until it died completely today and no wont start again?

This is my only rig and i have no idea whats wrong with it. She has never ever given me any problems, now this. Any ideas or tests i could run would be greatly appreciated. Can parts stores scan the diesels to pull possible codes etc?

 

[97idi]

IPR?

 

[geonc]

Most auto parts places do have OBD2 readers....

Any smoke while cranking? Any tach movement?

Here are code faults...
0107 BARO Barometric press sensor ckt low input Defaults to 100kPa Open/grounded circuit, biased sensor, PCM
0108 BARO Barometric press sensor ckt high input Defaults to 100kPa Circuit shorted to 5V, biased sensor, PCM
0112 IAT Intake air temp sensor ckt low input Defaults to 15°C Grounded circuit, biased sensor, PCM
0113 IAT Intake air temp sensor ckt high input Defaults to 15°C Open circuit, biased sensor, PCM, short to 5V
0122* AP Accelerator pedal sensor ckt low input Engine will only idle if hard fault Grounded circuit, biased sensor, PCM
0123* AP Accelerator pedal sensor ckt high input Engine will only idle if hard fault Open circuit, biased sensor, PCM, short to 5V
0195 EOT EOT sensor ckt malfunction (95 MY) Aborts KOER CCT test Engine not up to operating temp., leaking thermostat
0196 EOT EOT sensor ckt performance (96 MY) Aborts KOER CCT test Engine not up to operating temp., leaking thermostat
0197* EOT Engine oil temp sensor ckt low input No cold adv., fast low idle Grounded circuit, biased sensor, PCM
0198* EOT Engine oil temp sensor ckt high input No cold adv., fast low idle Open circuit, biased sensor, PCM, short to 5V
0220* IVS Throttle switch B ckt malfunction Switch test - KOER Short/open circuit, switch failure, operator, PCM
0221* IVS Throttle switch B ckt performance AP/IVS disagree - Engine will only idle if hard fault Failed pedal assembly
0235* MAP Turbo boost sensor A ckt malfnct (95 MY) Uses Inferred MAP signal Open, short to ground or 5v, faulty sensor
0236* MAP Turbo boost sensor A ckt performance Uses Inferred MAP signal Restricted inlet/exhaust/supply hose, missing hose
0237* MAP Turbo boost sensor A ckt low input Uses Inferred MAP signal Sensor, PCM (95MY) Open, short, sensor, PCM (96MY)
0238* MAP Turbo boost sensor A ckt high input (96MY) Uses Inferred MAP signal Noise, faulty sensor
0261* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 1 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0262 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 1 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness
0263 PCED Cylinder 1 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0264* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 2 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0265 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 2 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness
0266 PCED Cylinder 2 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0267* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 3 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0268 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 3 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness
0269 PCED Cylinder 3 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0270* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 4 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0271 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 4 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness
0272 PCED Cylinder 4 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0273* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 5 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0274 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 5 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness
0275 PCED Cylinder 5 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0276* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 6 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0277 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 6 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness
0278 PCED Cylinder 6 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0279* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 7 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0280 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 7 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness
0281 PCED Cylinder 7 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0282* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 8 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground
0283 INJ Injector ckt high - Cylinder 8 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Miswired connector or harness 0284 PCED Cylinder 8 contribution/balance fault Cylinder not contributing during CCT test Power cylinder, valve train or injector problem, circuit
0340 CMP Camshaft pos sensor ckt malfunction No CMP sensor signal detected during crank Open/grounded circuit, sensor fault, short to power
0341* CMP Camshaft pos sensor ckt performace Electrical noise detected Harness routing, charging ckt, sensor
0344 CMP Camshaft pos sensor ckt intermittent Incorrect number of CMP transition counts Harness routing, charging ckt, sensor, int ckt, improper gap
0380 GP Glow plug ckt malfunction Glow Plug Relay - KOEO OCC test Open/grounded ckt, solenoid open/shorted, failed PCM
0381 GP Glow plug indicator ckt malfunction Glow Plug Lamp - KOEO OCC test Open/grounded circuit, lamp open, failed PCM
0470 EBP Exhst press sensor ckt malfnct (96 MY) No-start or crank mode Biased sensor, open signal return
0471 EBP Exhst press sensor ckt prfrmnc (96MY) Run mode Plugged, stuck, or leaking hose
0472 EBP Exhaust press sensor ckt low input Disables back pressure device Open/grounded circuit, biased sensor, PCM
0473 EBP Exhaust press sensor ckt high input Disables back pressure device Circuit shorted to 5V, biased sensor, PCM
0475 EPR Exhst press control valve malfunction Exhaust back pressure regulator - KOEO OCC test Open/grounded ckt, solenoid open/shorted, failed PCM
0476 EPR Exhst press control valve performance Run mode and KOER on-demand test Failed/stuck EPR control, EBP fault, EPR circuit
0478 EPR Exhst press control valve high input Excessive back pressure - run mode Plugged sensor line, stuck butterfly, restricted exhaust
0500 VSS Vehicle speed sensor malfunction Sensor, circuit, PCM, PSOM, TR failure, low trans fluid
0560 PCED System voltage malfunction B+ too low for CCT test - aborts test Charging system problem/load, glow plugs still enabled
0562 PCED System voltage low May be temporary condition at crank only Low sys. voltage, charging sys., internal PCM failure
0563 PCED System voltage high May be temporary condition - 24V jump start High sys. voltage, charging sys., internal PCM failure
0565 PCED Cruise "On" signal malfunction Switch Test - KOER (Code set if cruise not present) Open/short circuit, switch, PCM, or failed to activate switch during KOER switch test Cruise control codes will be set on every switch test on vehicles not equipped with cruise control.
0566 PCED Cruise "Off" signal malfunction Switch Test - KOER (Code set if cruise not present)
0567 PCED Cruise "Resume" signal malfunction Switch Test - KOER (Code set if cruise not present)
0568 PCED Cruise "Set" signal malfunction Switch Test - KOER (Code set if cruise not present) 0569 PCED Cruise "Coast" signal malfunction Switch Test - KOER (Code set if cruise not present)
0571 BPA Brake switch A ckt malfunction Switch Test - KOER (Code set if cruise not present)
0603 PCED Powertrain Control Module KAM error No historical faults output during a KOEO test Open PCM pin, disconnected B+, faulty PCM
0605 PCED Powertrain Control Module ROM error Internal PCM failure Internal PCM failure
0606 PCED PCM processor fault PCM inactive background fault Internal PCM failure
0703 BOO Brake switch B ckt malfunction Switch Test - KOER Open/short circuit, switch, PCM, failed to activate switch during KOER switch test
0704 CPP Clutch switch input ckt malfunction Switch Test - KOER
0707** TR Trans range sensor ckt low input Short to ground in circuit, biased sensor, PCM
0708** TR Trans range sensor ckt high input Open in circuit, biased sensor, PCM, short to power
0712 TFT Trans fluid temp sensor ckt low input Short to ground, biased sensor, PCM
0713 TFT Trans fluid temp sensor ckt high input Open circuit, biased sensor, PCM, short to power
0741 TCC Toque converter clutch ckt Circuit failure, faulty solenoid, PCM
0750 SS1 Shift solenoid A malfunction Circuit failure, faulty solenoid, PCM
0755 SS2 Shift solenoid B malfunction Circuit failure, faulty solenoid, PCM
0781** 1-2 shift malfunction Circuit failure, faulty solenoid, faulty clutch, PCM
0782** 2-3 shift malfunction Circuit failure, faulty solenoid, faulty clutch, PCM
0783** 3-4 shift malfunction Circuit failure, faulty solenoid, faulty clutch, PCM
1111 N/A System pass No PCM system faults detected N/A
1211* IPR ICP pressure above/below desired Continuous and KOER on-demand test IPR valve failed, stuck, or shorted to ground
1212* ICP ICP volt not at expected level Crank or KOEO Biased sensor or ckt, open signal rtn, low oil in reservoir
1218 PCM/IDM CID stuck high Cyl. identification line stuck high (historical fault only) CID circuit open, probably intermittent
1219 PCM/IDM CID stuck low Cyl. identification line stuck low (historical fault only) CID circuit short to ground, probably intermittent
1261-1268 INJ High to low side short cyl #1 -#8 Cylinder with fault will not operate Short circuit, shorted injector, failed IDM
1271-1278 INJ High to low side open cyl #1- #8 Cylinder with fault will not operate Open circuit, open injector, failed IDM
1280* ICP ICP circuit out of range low Uses inferred ICP strategy Open/grounded circuit, biased sensor, PCM
1281* ICP ICP circuitt out of range high Uses inferred ICP strategy Circuit shorted to 5V, biased sensor, PCM
1282 IPR Excessive ICP pressure System fault Faulty IPR regulator (sticking), IPR shorted to ground
1283* IPR IPR circuit failure Run-mode or KOEO OCC test Open/grounded circuit, stuck IPR, loose connection
1284 N/A ICP failure - aborts KOER CCT test Detected sensor circuit fault - aborts KOER CCT test See codes 1280, 1281, 1282, 1283, 1211
1291 INJ High side #1 (right) short to grd or B+ Inj power supply circuit short (operates on 4 cylinders) Shorted circuit, faulty IDM
1292 INJ High side #2 (left) short to grd or B+ Inj power supply circuit short (operates on 4 cylinders) Shorted circuit, faulty IDM
1293 INJ High side open bank #1 (right) Inj power supply circuit open (operates on 4 cylinders) Open circuit, faulty IDM
1294 INJ High side open bank #2 (left) Inj power supply circuit open (operates on 4 cylinders Open circuit, faulty IDM
1295* INJ Multiple faults on bank #1 (right) Fix low side short and rerun diagnostics Miswired connector or harness, short to ground
1296* INJ Multiple faults on bank #2 (left) Fix low side short and rerun diagnostics Miswired connector or harness, short to ground
1297 INJ High sides shorted together Fix shorts and rerun diagnostics Shorted wires, faulty IDM
1298 PCED IDM failure Internal IDM failure Internal IDM failure
1464 N/A A/C on during KOER CCT test Aborts KOER CCT test Operator error, A/C circuit shorted to power
1501 N/A Vehicle moved during testing Aborts test - KOER on-demand, CCT, or switch test Operator error
1531 N/A Invalid test - acc. pedal movement Aborts test - KOER on-demand or CCT test Accelerator pedal moved during KOER on-demand or CCT test
1536 PBA Parking brake applied fail Switch Test - KOER Circuit, switch, PCM, failed to activate switch KOER
1660 PCED OCC signal high Aborts KOEO OCC test High system voltage, internal PCM fault
1661 PCED OCC signal low Aborts KOEO OCC test Low system voltage, internal PCM fault
1662 PCED IDM-EN circuit failure IDM enable relay - KOEO OCC test Open relay, blown fuse, open/grounded circuit
1663 PCM/IDM FDCS circuit failure Fuel demand command signal - KOEO OCC test Open/grounded circuit, faulty IDM
1667 PCM/IDM CID circuit failure Cyl. identification circuit - KOEO OCC test Open/grounded circuit, faulty IDM
1668 PCM/IDM PCM-IDM diag. communication error Communication on EF (Electronic Feedback line) Open/shorted EF or FDCS, open IDM ground
1705 TRS TR sensor out of self test range Not in PARK during KOEO or KOER Operator error, circuit failure, faulty sensor, PCM
1711 TFT TFT sensor out of self test range Transmission fluid temp too high or low Circuit failure, faulty sensor, PCM
1728** TCC Trans slip error - converter clutch failed Solenoid failure or mechanical failure
1729 4x4L 4x4 Low switch error Circuit failure, faulty switch, PCM
1746 EPC EPC solenoid open circuit Open circuit, faulty solenoid, PCM
1747 EPC EPC solenoid short ckt Short circuit, faulty solenoid, PCM shorted to ground
1748** EPC EPC malfunction Circuit failure, PCM
1754 CCS Coast clutch solenoid ckt. malfunction KOEO OCC test Circuit failure, faulty solenoid, PCM
1779 TCIL TCIL circuit malfunction KOEO OCC test Short to ground, PCM
1780 TCS TCS circuitt out of self test range Switch test - KOER Circuit, switch, PCM, failed to activate switch in KOER
1781 4X4L 4X4L circuit out of self test range In 4X4L during KOEO or KOER Operator error, short to ground, PCM
1783** TFT Transmission overtemp condittion Internal trans failure, circuit failure, sensor, PCM

 

[res0wc18]

no tach movement, and no smoke

 

[97idi]

no tach and u said u replaced the cps?

 

[res0wc18]

yes no tach movement and i replaced the cps with the gray one from i\h. it was the same one that was on there. Im not so sure that the tach has ever moved when cranking it though.

i am confused on the correct cps part number from I/h also because according to baz since i have a 97 model year truck i need to look at the engine serial number... i dont even know where that is.

What is most current or latest revised cps part number from I/H? I bought one last night that was a 187####C95?

Also on the IPR, didnt bigrigtech or someone get a cat part number that fits thats cheaper than even the I/H part? What is the I/H part number for the IPR?

Here is baz's info on the cps part numbers

"This applies to all PowerStroke motors from late 1994 to 2002.

Diagnosis: A bad cam position sensor is usually signified by the PowerStroke motor abruptly and unexpectedly quitting. The motor may also be suffering from slight power loss and slight increase in fuel usage which is usually not noticeable until it is seen as an improvement when the sensor is replaced. When the CPS causes the motor to shut down, the tachometer will not register. If the motor fails to restart, the tachometer will not register when the starter is turning the motor over. This may or may not cause the check engine light to come on.

Part Numbers: The International parts are usually half the price of Ford's, and I wouldn't buy one from Ford unless you absolutely had to.

International part numbers:

A change occurred mid way through 1997, so if you have a 97 it is best to look at the engine serial number. For serial number before serial number 375549 use PN# 1821720C98. For serial number 375549 (including this number) and after use PN# 1825899C93.

Ford Part Numbers:

For 1996 and older use PN# F6T012K073A For 1997 and newer use PN# F7T012K073A

Remove/Replace: CPS replacement is a very simple process. It is located at the 10 o'clock position of the crankshaft pulley and secured with one 10 mm bolt. Removing the serpentine belt will facilitate the removal.

Step 1) Make sure key is off and disconnect battery or pull #9 fuse. This is always a good idea when working on engine electronics.
Step 2) Remove engine belt
Step 3) Unplug wiring plug from sensor by prying out on the little plastic tab and pushing it out of it's socket
Step 4) Use 10 mm socket with small extension to remove 10 mm bolt
Step 5) Clean any dirt or grease off of sensor and surrounding area to prevent contamination of crankcase oil and seal of new sensor
Step 6) Use pliers, pry bar, or whatever else to gently remove sensor by pulling it straight out. It may be slightly stuck and slight force may be needed to loosen it. It is ok to twist it in its socket to loosen it if necessary.
Step 7) Coat new sensor o-ring with clean engine oil and press sensor into hole.
Step 8) Replace 10 mm bolt, torque to 10 ft-lbs, or just make sure it is snug.
Step 9) Replace wiring plug by simply pressing it into position until you hear the holding tab click into place.
Step 10) Replace belt.
Step 11) Ensure battery has been disconnected or #9 fuse has been out for at least 30 minutes. After this amount of time, they can be replaced.
Step 12) Start engine and inspect for leaks or other problems. Make sure belt has been properly aligned on each of the pulleys."



What is most current or latest revised cps part number from I/H? I bought one last night that was a 187####C95?

 

[geonc]

Navistar old# IHC#1807339C92----new#1885812C91
Might want to get a shim kit ---not sure why?????

I wish they would release ONE type and eliminate all this Bravo Sierra .....

Not sure on Big Rig's IPR find from CAT ...might wanna pm him.....AND please post it

 

[res0wc18]

yikes the 187####c95 that was on the truck and i replaced it with could or could not be the correct one..According to the color the newest and best one is blue? Im confused. I paid 29 bucks for my gray one last night.

here is some suggestions from bigrigtech

I'm not sure, I always get mine from Ford. Check your fuel heater fuse to make sure it's not blown - if it is then unplug the fuel heater at the bowl....Check you CPS wiring back to the PCM, they can chaffe on the drivers side valve cover where they bolt down. If you have a new sensor and good wiring back to the PCM your tach should work unless your PCM went bad...See my old 97 PSD post from 2-3 months ago(http://www.oilburners.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33350&page=2) regarding my buddy's failed pcm....If it won't show cranking speed on the code reader and you have verfied your sensor and wiring then I would try to find/borrow a known good PCM. I would also consider your transmission range selector, try starting it in nuetral....I've seen that before too....Also try unplugging your ICP sensor and verify power and ground the the IPR....A few things to start with....A code reader that will show cranking speed is a must for a PSD with this issue, even some tuners will do that.

 

[geonc]

Sounds like BigRig is steering you right!
Try disconnecting the ICP---front of left cyl head---

here is some info I found buried deep in my junk

IDM test and info in PDF filePSD IDM info

 

[res0wc18]

what is the fuel bowl heater fuse number? I heard thats connected to the pcm and wont allow it to function if its broken etc. I guess i should check that and if its blown unplug the fuel bowl heater.

here is bigrigtechs writeup on the CAT IPR
http://www.oilburners.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29911


The PCM is the same thing as the Computer right? its on the drivers side inner fender tucked partially into the firewall?

 

[geonc]

what is the fuel bowl heater fuse number? I heard thats connected to the pcm and wont allow it to function if its broken etc. I guess i should check that and if its blown unplug the fuel bowl heater.

here is bigrigtechs writeup on the CAT IPR
http://www.oilburners.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29911


The PCM is the same thing as the Computer right? its on the drivers side inner fender tucked partially into the firewall?

#22 maxi fuse--eng compartment power dist box.

That PDF I linked to is for testing the IDM= Injector driver module---located top of left fender close to firewall.

 

[trackspeeder]

Navistar old# IHC#1807339C92----new#1885812C91
Might want to get a shim kit ---not sure why?????

I wish they would release ONE type and eliminate all this Bravo Sierra .....

Not sure on Big Rig's IPR find from CAT ...might wanna pm him.....AND please post it

The shim kit is used to prevent the CPS from contacting the tone ring. Some have this issue, most don't.

 

[res0wc18]

i think i got lucky it was the #22 maxi fuse under the hood. So i pulled the biggest plug/cord of the fuel bowl which i assumed was for the heater and replaced the fuse, fired right up.