94' IDIT...... Recommended turbo upgrade? Banks? R&D? etc?

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Sorry for borrowing your post but on the topic of R&D, I sent him an email yesterday to ask about an IP for my truck. I doubt I will hear back and I don't do Fakebook so I thought I would ask here: how backed up is he on pumps? What pump should I order for my truck? (Signature for details). Looks like flyarmyguns has the same setup as me; there have been recommendations (above) for a 90cc and for the 110.
Very backed up, I ordered 2 weeks ago and he's just getting around to working on it, I was 5th in line when ordered and I know many have ordered after me. 90cc will be good for ya unless you want to spend twice that for a good bit more fuel but need headstuds.
 

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So what's the general consensus on just replacing the downpipe vs the downpipe with the outlet housing?


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You will gain some by replacing the housing as well as the down pipe. It's not a bad idea. That will basically make it an 093 instead of a choked up Factory Turbo.
 

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My personal opinion, you don't need to get the 90 or even the 110 pump to go with the stage 1 drop in. Now it will help it develop the turbos full potential having the fuel to drive it, but having too much air isnt necessarily a bad thing. Now if your pump and injectors are wearing out, it might not be a bad time to upgrade them all. But hey if ya dont have the $ to drop on that all at once I understand that.
I would suggest doing the banks downpipe first as that is going to allow your turbo to breathe. I know everyone who has done the 3" exhaust elbow upgrade has absolutely loved it myself included. Can't say for just doing the banks downpipe as i have never done it.
Also if you do upgrade your IP to a bigger one you will basically have to do head studs.
With a turned up pump and a stage 1 drop in you would be playing with fire but it should live that way for a while depending on how you drive.
Also yep Justin sure does have a wait time and can be hard to get ahold of but he tells you that on his website. He is also a one man show, and I would much rather have quality over quantity. And he puts ou top notch quality products.
 

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Choices, choices....

I ordered a ww2, and im about to order a turbo housing and downpipe. I have a terrible back and cannot be leaning over my engine to do the work, So i must have it all installed. But labor is estimated at $800.... Parts are $435.... equals $1235 total.....

For that much money, is it worth it to go for the R&D stage one turbo and downpipe? Which will run about $1300.?

The issue is that i would still need to have it installed, but maybe cheaper as its less work when the wheel and housing wont need to be changed...

My truck has 200,000 miles on original ip & injectors. If i eventually need to replace them, i could step up to something bigger and better... when that happens will i be wishing i had a stage 1 turbo, rather than my 093 with 3" and ww2?
 

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Choices, choices....

I ordered a ww2, and im about to order a turbo housing and downpipe. I have a terrible back and cannot be leaning over my engine to do the work, So i must have it all installed. But labor is estimated at $800.... Parts are $435.... equals $1235 total.....

For that much money, is it worth it to go for the R&D stage one turbo and downpipe? Which will run about $1300.?

The issue is that i would still need to have it installed, but maybe cheaper as its less work when the wheel and housing wont need to be changed...

My truck has 200,000 miles on original ip & injectors. If i eventually need to replace them, i could step up to something bigger and better... when that happens will i be wishing i had a stage 1 turbo, rather than my 093 with 3" and ww2?


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A topside creeper. I've used it several times, and it's nice to be able to walk and not have the impression of the radiator and hood latch in my belly for days...... They are not cheap, ~$300, but that's not much labor at a shop......
 

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Yeah, that looks great! I'm not sure i could do the job still, i have a spinal stimulator implant in my abdomen, so lying on my stomach isnt an option for very long.... that said;

How long does it take to R&R an idi turbo charger?
 

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Yeah, that looks great! I'm not sure i could do the job still, i have a spinal stimulator implant in my abdomen, so lying on my stomach isnt an option for very long.... that said;

How long does it take to R&R an idi turbo charger?

Yes, I'd love a topside creeper. If I only had a shop to keep it in...

In regards to R&R on the turbo, quite a few variables. Have you done it before? When was the last time it was apart? Etc., etc. I'm in the middle of doing it right now. I pulled the typ4 modded/rebuilt turbo and the fuel system to swap on to the new truck, I'm not really rushing, so I've not kept track of time. I'll say this though, things can get interesting with any project. For instance, I'm having a lot of trouble separating the up pipe and the y pipe. Never thought that'd be a problem...
 

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Well it's never been apart that i know of. I expect seized and broken bolts, etc...

How long are these turbos known to last.... with 200000 mi perhaps i should be looking at a rebild or new turbo anyhow...
 

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How will a turbo last? That's about like asking how long will my engine last? It all depends on how it was used and maintained. If you think that your pump and injectors have 200,000 miles on them then you should be replacing them before you do anything to the turbo. You can remove the air intake from the turbo and see how much play the bearings have in them by checking the shaft for side to side and in and out movement. If your turbo's fins are damaged or make contact with the side of the housing, a rebuild/replacement may also be in your near future. Some side to side play in the shaft is ok since a lot will be taken up when there's oil pressure inside there. If your turbo needs to be rebuilt, then maybe it's time to upgrade the turbo. You could always sell the WW2 to someone else.
 

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What kind of symptoms would indicate that a new injector pump or injectors should be replaced?

My truck starts and runs perfectly. I just need more power...

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The fact that they should be rebuilt about every 100,000 to 120,000 miles. If your truck starts and runs perfectly, then I'd doubt that the pump and injectors have 200,000 miles on them. They might, I just doubt it. It's not me that says thes numbers, it's Mel, Russ, Justin, and others who have a lot of experience running these engines.
 

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Personally for me I would go with the stage 1 drop in for this reason alone, i wouldnt trust myself to install a ww2 . I am dealing with something that spins 30k rpms i want it balanced and installed by someone who knows turbos. That's why I had Justin install a ww2 when he rebuilt my turbo. Especially if you arent doing the work yourself.. just my thoughts
I also would suggest to whoever does the work to not separate the up pipe from the wye but instead pull the turbo off the wye using the 4nuts that hold it on. I had a heck of a time trying to get mine to seal that ended with getting different up pipe and wye so if yours is sealed I suggest not separating.
 

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What is a wye?

It is possible that the ip and injectors were replaced. The original owner was a very procedurally oriented 'by the book' county sheriff who used it pull his slow-moving-deer, and he definitely kept it up. I wouldn't consider upgrading them unless I need to replace them anyway.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the R&D upgraded turbo exhaust housing and downpipe is the same for my factory turbo, or for the stage 1 turbo. So, if I want to upgrade to the stage 1 at a later date, at least I already have that taken care of. Also, it should be easier (fewer hours means fewer dollars) to r&r the turbo a second time, after the shop does it this week to install the housing, downpipe and WW2....

I just hate to spend all that money on parts and labor to install the downpipe, housing, and ww2, when I could buy the stage 1 turbo for the same money. But since I have to pay for the work, I guess that's just how it goes...
 
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