my dyno numbers are in.

[Brimmstone]

Just checked google maps and it's a 2 and a half hour drive. I'm good for the run up on a weekend if he wants to do it.

 

[david85]

Just checked google maps and it's a 2 and a half hour drive. I'm good for the run up on a weekend if he wants to do it.

That would be nuch appreciated

 

[Brimmstone]

To make sure from now on I can be sure of numbers on diesels and since I have 6 dodges with built cummins engines that I work on and get dynoed after mods I just ordered the Ferret pulse adapter for an rpm pickup. I discussed this at length with a dynojet tech and a mustang tech. Both agree if it will throw a pulse that an inductive pickup timing light will ready it will work just fine as a rpm pickup for our engines on a dyno.

 

[DeepRoots]

doublepost

 

[DeepRoots]

aint gonna happen Brimmstone.

I offered to send him my Moose pump for a comparison test. I was gonna pay shipping both ways.
He informed me he is leaving Ft Polk Thursday (June 2nd) for Oregon.

too bad really, woulda been neat for him to bolt on my pump and see what happens.

Drew

 

[Dave7.3]

aint gonna happen Brimmstone.

I offered to send him my Moose pump for a comparison test. I was gonna pay shipping both ways.
He informed me he is leaving Ft Polk Thursday (June 2nd) for Oregon.

too bad really, woulda been neat for him to bolt on my pump and see what happens.

Drew

Anywhere close to Typ4's neck of the woods? If he really wants to silence the nay-sayers, I'm sure the OB community can make it happen no matter where he goes.

I hoped when I posted in the early pages of this thread that this was a great step forward for the IDI community. Now, the more I read, I am left with even more questions.

I'm sure others have mentioned this before...but did anyone else kinda find it a little odd that, out of the blue, Ken himself showed up around here? I mean, I've seen a few call out threads begging for customer support along with brand bashing sessions and never saw word from him. Not even a peep even about the Hall of Shame. Why show up now? Not trying to bash the guy, but he has had numerous opportunities to defend his product and offer his side of the story. Oh and the simple "they installed it wrong" as seen earlier in this thread (if I recall correctly) isn't an excuse I find satisfactory.

Maybe he doesn't have the time? I don't know. I do know, however, that I certainly wouldn't want bad PR floating around about my harvesting business for instance.
From NMB2's posts saying he has and will continue working closely with Ken, it has started to cast a shadow toward DPS being a driving force behind this. I hope we are just over analyzing the situation...

In fact, I really hope NMB2 doesn't disappear...I'd sure like to hear more of his side on all of this and continue his build for all of us to see. Furthermore, this post is not meant to be in favor of moose OR dps products (I've never been involved with neither one).
I myself welcome the idea of competition between the two to innovate more products for these engines. Because, without aftermarket support, the IDI community WILL fade away in history...

-Dave

 

[DeepRoots]

It'll fade away anyhow. There is no, and more than likely will never be a company casting aftermarket blocks. As such it is only a matter of time before there are simply not the parts to build an engine.

My fav, Ford Fe's at this time in history, you can build an entire engine with 100% new parts, not one came from Ford.

I still don't understand everything about the whole dyno deal. I've studied horsepower calculations in my engineering training and I don't get how it is possible to make a HP calculation without knowing what RPM the torque is generated. But that is my ignorance.

Drew

 

[FordGuy100]

Drew my guess is you input your final drive ratio and tire size. Then it measures the speed of the roller, does the math, and figures rpms.

 

[DeepRoots]

That would only be good for a manual transmission
The amount of slip via an automatic is variable, could be almost 500rpms off depending on the stall and how worn out the converter is.

god I hate the night shift.

 

[Diesel JD]

It'll fade away anyhow. There is no, and more than likely will never be a company casting aftermarket blocks. As such it is only a matter of time before there are simply not the parts to build an engine.

My fav, Ford Fe's at this time in history, you can build an entire engine with 100% new parts, not one came from Ford.

I still don't understand everything about the whole dyno deal. I've studied horsepower calculations in my engineering training and I don't get how it is possible to make a HP calculation without knowing what RPM the torque is generated. But that is my ignorance.

Drew

Yeah nothing is forever, but I think enough blocks will survive that these trucks could be built long past our interest or lifetimes. I really think regulatory pressure is a bigger threat to force them off the road than running out of parts...at least IH and aftermarket stuff. Try getting anything from Ford for these trucks and you're usually.....screwed. Bad memoris from trying to rebuild the front end and AC system last summer.

 

[Goofyexponent]

Well, forgive me if I come off strong here, but I want to say something.

The factory turbo trucks were outfitted with an 093 turbo, correct?

If that is the case, and I can get the time to get off my @$$ and go get that engine from Bigrigtech...then we will have a candidate for a true claim comparison.

I am willing to shell out the $1500 investment that NMB2 has invested in his engine. I am willing to follow the same build blueprints, but with 2 changes.

I want to install an intercooler. I don't pound on my truck often, but when I do decide I wanna hook up with a PSD, I won't blow my truck apart with high EGT's trying to stay in front....or keep up.. lol.

Second, I WANT a typ4 cam...no questions asked! These are PROVEN power adders, and I can't say no to that!!

If I can put down those kinds of numbers, with a similar build...would that put things to rest?

I don't wanna see a HUGE brawl over some numbers on this board. I would like to think that you guys are there for not only me, bot everyone should things take a turn for the worst.

I might even buy the T04Z and install it at a later date, see if it makes a difference. But for now lets just rebearing that turbo and leave it alone until I can get things put back together...

 

[jonathan]

that would be great goofy

 

[papastruck]

I wouldn't use the word "settle", but it'd definitely be awesome.

The only way to really "settle" these debates is to cut back on the variables. Take 1 engine, 1 engine dynamometer owned by a reputable builder/tester, a shelf full of these parts, and a lot of time. Let's say you had a worn IP, a stock rebuild, a DPS, and a Moose. Then you had worn injectors, stock remans, MMs, and DPS stage 1s. If you wanted to "settle" these debates, you would do 16 runs with all these different parts combinations available to you to see what was the worst, and what combination worked the best. Throw a regrind cam in the mix, and you're up to 32 dyno runs before you're 100% sure what does what. Add all the turbo/UP/DP/intake combinations discussed on this board, and 1000 dyno runs to document actual results is not all that unrealistic.

So your mission, Goofy, should you choose to accept it...

 

[Agnem]

I think this is the reason why "dyno days" are so popular. Everybody runs on the same dyno, the same day, under the same conditions. Someone emerges as the leader of THAT group who showed up. There could be another dyno day somewhere else, and the leader from that group versus the other group cannot be compared fairly. The Mason-Dixon turbo club runs a huge dyno day in Dillsburg twice a year, and they get 50 or more trucks that show up. Most are Dodges with a smattering of others thrown in. The numbers are all reasonably close considering the mods that are in place. I've seen it time and time again. Do the same mods. Get the same results. It's the best way to know what works and what doesn't. I think the real lesson here is don't go it alone when doing the dyno. There is safety in numbers as they say. And you get more respect if a bunch of other trucks run with you, and everybody there can say "Yup, we saw him do it!". I'm hosting a dyno as part of the 2011 IDI Weekend, and I hope we get to play with the timing a little bit to see how it affects the numbers. And yes, we will be using the same timing meter.

 

[rjjp]

I wouldn't use the word "settle", but it'd definitely be awesome.

The only way to really "settle" these debates is to cut back on the variables. Take 1 engine, 1 engine dynamometer owned by a reputable builder/tester, a shelf full of these parts, and a lot of time. Let's say you had a worn IP, a stock rebuild, a DPS, and a Moose. Then you had worn injectors, stock remans, MMs, and DPS stage 1s. If you wanted to "settle" these debates, you would do 16 runs with all these different parts combinations available to you to see what was the worst, and what combination worked the best. Throw a regrind cam in the mix, and you're up to 32 dyno runs before you're 100% sure what does what. Add all the turbo/UP/DP/intake combinations discussed on this board, and 1000 dyno runs to document actual results is not all that unrealistic.

So your mission, Goofy, should you choose to accept it...

Yes, but if we were saying a DPS pump verse a Moose pump then just change the pumps. Possibly after that is settled, DPS with stage 1s then DPS with MM, then Moose with stage 1's and finally Moose with MMs. That would settle pumps and injectors... Sorry Russ, but as far as I know you only deal with "stock" matched sets, not performance.