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after replacing teh CDR Id give the auto RX a try. I had one diesel car I bought from a boneyard that ate a qt every 15 miles and it wouldnt even pull top gear , a couple of treatments of auto rx got its consumption down to within factory specs and it turned into a very nice car.. If rings stop flexing, or even intermittantly stick , oil will burn like crazy. It's a great place to start to eliminate the simple before diggging in to the engine.If that stuff doesnt take care of it at least you have a spotless engine inside to work on if there is a problem., which will save you lots of time during repairs..;Sweet
 

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What kind of oil? :dunno

My bet is on Rotella lol

I wish I would have done a full compression test, but haven't yet. I did do several cylinders and they were good. I was using Rotella T in it like I always did in my crewcab, but since it's using it like diesel I've been buying the cheapest 15-40 I can now. It's like Lube force or something from the local farm store. I'm going to probably play with some miracles in a can like Restore, Lucas, or AutoRX. I'm not expecting much from the miracle in a bottle, but it's cheaper and easier than a rebuild if they work.

I was correct :sly
 

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Did you get a chance to do a compression check??
I've got a lot of blowby & oil usage also.
My passenger side, rear cylinders 5 & 7 have low compression compared to the others.
So I'm gonna pull the passenger side head, and hopefully no cracked pistons, just worn rings.:dunno

rings alone are never the sole reason for low compression, if you got worn rings you also have an out of round cylinder bore tapered to hell! Cold starts kill diesel engines!

I always plug mine in, saves on fuel cost, and I never use conventional oil, I dont want to own the engine that this thread is all about.

Good luck with the old tired negleted diesel you guys own...



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Good Advice!
after replacing teh CDR Id give the auto RX a try. I had one diesel car I bought from a boneyard that ate a qt every 15 miles and it wouldnt even pull top gear , a couple of treatments of auto rx got its consumption down to within factory specs and it turned into a very nice car.. If rings stop flexing, or even intermittantly stick , oil will burn like crazy. It's a great place to start to eliminate the simple before diggging in to the engine.If that stuff doesnt take care of it at least you have a spotless engine inside to work on if there is a problem., which will save you lots of time during repairs..;Sweet
 

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Seriously, the only time a turbo is an issue due to wear is if it's really, really bad... I mean turbine or compressor vanes touching the housing. The more common issue is if the drain is blocked. For one thing the oil flow thru a turbo pretty fast. Second, there is pressure on on both sides that's higher than the pressure in the bearing chamber where the oil is (which is very low because the oil drains so quickly). I interviewed a number of turbo specialists a couple of years ago and they all confirmed this. The main thing to check is the drain... is the oil getting out of the turbo quickly or not? Turbo wear is a possibility, and it deserves being checked, but it's not high on the lost of "likely suspects." I'm not familiar enough with the factory turbo setups to say much of anything specific, but in looking at the pics I have in the Ford manual, it looks like the drain is a cast iron and doubles as the mounting pedestal. I saw a crimped drain hose on a Banks system once that cause a drainage problem but what I would wonder in this case is, if the engine has ever been apart, was the valley pan replaced? If you don't have enough drain holes in that valley pan where the oil drains into it, the oil can back up in the drain systems right up into the turbo and that could cause an oil consumption problem. The NA valley pans don't have enough holes. So, if you know the valley pan has been replaced in recent times... there's a clue.

But start with a compression test and work you way down the list. It could be a combination of ring sealing issue and valve stem seals.

Oh, and all this talk about it being Rotella is garbage. Yeah, use Rotella and use gallons. Switch to DELO (or whatever) and it stops. Right. Get serious people. If, and I say IF, there is a difference in oil consumption between two oils in a particular application, it's tiny to microscopic.
 

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Seriously, the only time a turbo is an issue due to wear is if it's really, really bad... I mean turbine or compressor vanes touching the housing. The more common issue is if the drain is blocked. For one thing the oil flow thru a turbo pretty fast. Second, there is pressure on on both sides that's higher than the pressure in the bearing chamber where the oil is (which is very low because the oil drains so quickly). I interviewed a number of turbo specialists a couple of years ago and they all confirmed this. The main thing to check is the drain... is the oil getting out of the turbo quickly or not? Turbo wear is a possibility, and it deserves being checked, but it's not high on the lost of "likely suspects." I'm not familiar enough with the factory turbo setups to say much of anything specific, but in looking at the pics I have in the Ford manual, it looks like the drain is a cast iron and doubles as the mounting pedestal. I saw a crimped drain hose on a Banks system once that cause a drainage problem but what I would wonder in this case is, if the engine has ever been apart, was the valley pan replaced? If you don't have enough drain holes in that valley pan where the oil drains into it, the oil can back up in the drain systems right up into the turbo and that could cause an oil consumption problem. The NA valley pans don't have enough holes. So, if you know the valley pan has been replaced in recent times... there's a clue.

But start with a compression test and work you way down the list. It could be a combination of ring sealing issue and valve stem seals.

Oh, and all this talk about it being Rotella is garbage. Yeah, use Rotella and use gallons. Switch to DELO (or whatever) and it stops. Right. Get serious people. If, and I say IF, there is a difference in oil consumption between two oils in a particular application, it's tiny to microscopic.

I would say lubrication has everything to do with the OP issue.

We all know lack of or negligence is alway's the root cause of a lousy engine.

Oils may all seem the same, but if you attention span is short like a teenager you will never see the advantages of a Synthetic oil




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I agree with Jim! When your using that much oil brand isn't going to matter! There is something else seriously wrong.
 

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Best part of this thread is the OP will never put a finger on the root cause. I have, it is lousy maintaince product's used.

A gallon every 100 miles is impressive amount, Rotella would be proud of this consumer.
Conventional oil is a mechanics best friend. Job Security!

You know that engines die for many reasons not just lousy oil brands. I killed mine twice and it wasn't from the oil. other bone head things I did not check. Well I did kill it and I fixed it all over again this is my 3rd attempt so I hope it stay's together this time. I have done everything by myself while everyone laughs. LOL

Not putting anyone down just stating the bleeding obvious, let's look at the reality and skip the rest, we just come here to learn.


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Lack of a good lubricant (or poor maintenance) may be the root cause of wear, which can beget high oil consumption, but once the wear occurs, the lubricant is not the cure. And truth be told, the difference in wear between a good lubricant (like any of the name brand off-the-shelf HDEOs) and something top drawer like Amsoil is very small, or non-existant, over normal oil change intervals.

I really love the way you regularly manage to toss an insult in your posts, Javier. Bet you're not like that in person.
 

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I really toss the insult but is is not aimed at any one person.
I aim it at the BRANDS of OIL and the confusion and deception of so many brands.
I really hate the API after all it is a regulation of itself.

Just stupidity like union workers turning away help for storm relief.


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I bought this truck in July and will guarantee its had lousy maintenance. That's basically all I've done is catch up on maintenance. I bought it with the po telling me it needed an engine. It still might buy other that the oil consumption it runs good enough for what I need it to do.

I wondered about the turbo drain and the valley pan. This was a factory turbo truck so did they have a better valley gasket in those? There's no oil dripping off the engine sonic it is a drain issue it would need to be backing up into the turbo and pushing by the seals.

I will say this. About 220 miles from home I dumped in a quart of Lucas oil treatment from a truck stop. And then topped it off the rest of the way with oil. I then checked the oil about 130 miles from home and added a gallon of oil as it didn't register on the dip stick. I ran the last 130 miles home and didn't check the oil again until today. I was amazed there was oil on the dipstick! I added about 2 quarts and it brought I up to the middle of the hatch marks where I always fill it to. So I now have a glimmer of hope it might be straightening out. Or at least reducing. I'll keep playing with it this winter and see how it does.
 

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Lack of a good lubricant (or poor maintenance) may be the root cause of wear, which can beget high oil consumption, but once the wear occurs, the lubricant is not the cure. And truth be told, the difference in wear between a good lubricant (like any of the name brand off-the-shelf HDEOs) and something top drawer like Amsoil is very small, or non-existant, over normal oil change intervals.

I really love the way you regularly manage to toss an insult in your posts, Javier. Bet you're not like that in person.

Oh yes no snake oil will bring back any worn engine, except for NAPA RESTORE :rotflmao

Hey I have tried it, it works for a few days :rolleyes:

actually I have done many used oil samples and certain brands of oil will shed less wear metal than others, many people dont understand how the interpretation of lab result's are read.

Iron always scares people into changing oil early when Iron can come from a set of rusty valvecovers sweating from condesation.

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I bought this truck in July and will guarantee its had lousy maintenance. That's basically all I've done is catch up on maintenance. I bought it with the po telling me it needed an engine. It still might buy other that the oil consumption it runs good enough for what I need it to do.

I wondered about the turbo drain and the valley pan. This was a factory turbo truck so did they have a better valley gasket in those? There's no oil dripping off the engine sonic it is a drain issue it would need to be backing up into the turbo and pushing by the seals.

I will say this. About 220 miles from home I dumped in a quart of Lucas oil treatment from a truck stop. And then topped it off the rest of the way with oil. I then checked the oil about 130 miles from home and added a gallon of oil as it didn't register on the dip stick. I ran the last 130 miles home and didn't check the oil again until today. I was amazed there was oil on the dipstick! I added about 2 quarts and it brought I up to the middle of the hatch marks where I always fill it to. So I now have a glimmer of hope it might be straightening out. Or at least reducing. I'll keep playing with it this winter and see how it does.

Hope it runs away from you on your last plow job plowing the largest drift ever! that might be worth getting a video of, runaway IDI pushing mountain of snow!


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Hope it runs away from you on your last plow job plowing the largest drift ever! that might be worth getting a video of, runaway IDI pushing mountain of snow

???????:popcorn
BTW I use systhetic oil in the wifes and sons vehicles. Used it in a Jeep we had before, still see that Jeep every so often.
So I would say its worth it, if a person can keep it in the crankcase.


junk,
I forget the details on your truck, does it leak any oil?? Or as far as you know, is it burning it??
Keep us posted,;Sweet
 

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