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I stumbled on this while looking for sumpin to stimulate what remains of my brain cells. Even though this is about kubotas it definitely applies to us

What is Starting Fluid?
Starting fluids are comprised of volatile hydrocarbons, heptane, butane, hexane and a mixture of up to 60% diethyl ether. Ether is clear, colorless liquid that has a low autoignition temperature – handy when the engine you are attempting to use it on it cold. The temperature at which ether auto ignites is 360 Fahrenheit or 182 Celsius. Ether also has a high cetane number, a measure of fuel ignition delay – ether has a high index and so the delay from fuel injection to fuel combustion is shorter. Finally, ether has no lubricating properties like normal diesel fuel does, making it harder on gaskets and seals. Starting fluid is widely available at any automotive supply chain and typically costs $4-5 per spray-can sized can.

How a Diesel Engine Fires
When we take a closer look at the basic mechanical principles of a diesel engine it become easier to understand why reaching for the starter fluid when you are having a tough time getting your Kubota to start is not a good idea.

In any diesel engine, only air is introduced to the combustion chamber. The compressing of this air raises the cylinder temperature to over 1000 degrees F (550 Celsius). At this precise moment, the tip of the injector opens and diesel fuel, also under pressure, is injected into the top of the combustion chamber. The extreme heat then ignites the atomized diesel fuel, firing the piston downward supplying power to the crankshaft.

Your Kubota’s diesel engine produces between 412 and 470 psi of compression. The air sucked into the engine on the upstroke is squeezed at a 19:1 ratio. Depending on the engine model, the tips of the injectors will open between 1700-3400 psi. These are high compression numbers! Your Kubota’s engine is pressure ignited and built to operate within its design limitations of 470 psi of compression. When we introduce an unregulated fuel source, like starting fluid, into the combustion chamber, the compression is much more volatile and can exceed specification – in short, that fluid can grenade the engine.

The Effects of Starting Fluid
The only way to get starter fluid into the engine of your fuel injected Kubota tractor is through the air box. When you spray starting fluid into the air box of the engine, it replaces a certain volume of air with a highly explosive and volatile fuel.

Once the engine is cranked over it quickly begins to compress the air and starting fluid now inside the combustion chamber. As the piston begins to move upwards compression increases and cylinder temperature begins to climb. However, since starting fluid will ignite at a lower temperature 360 F (182 C) versus the diesel fuel at 1000 F (550 C) a flame inside the combustion chamber occurs ahead of the injectors opening to deliver their fuel.

Kubota fuel injection pumps are designed to begin delivery to the injector at 14-22 degrees Before Top Dead Center (BTDC), depending on the specific engine model. This means that as the piston in still traveling upwards, a flame has already started inside the combustion chamber! Spray some diesel fuel into this flame ball and add a little more compression and you can see where this is going. BANG!

With starting fluid displacing the air, ignition now occurs explosively, uncontrollably and with such force that the upper limits of compression pressure are well exceeded. Never, ever use starting fluid on a diesel engine with glow plugs! KA-BLOOMIE!!
 
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I stumbled on this while looking for sumpin to stimulate what remains of my brain cells. Even though this is about kubotas it definatley applies to us

What is Starting Fluid?
Starting fluids are comprised of volatile hydrocarbons, heptane, butane, hexane and a mixture of up to 60% diethyl ether. Ether is clear, colorless liquid that has a low autoignition temperature – handy when the engine you are attempting to use it on it cold. The temperature at which ether auto ignites is 360 Fahrenheit or 182 Celsius. Ether also has a high cetane number, a measure of fuel ignition delay – ether has a high index and so the delay from fuel injection to fuel combustion is shorter. Finally, ether has no lubricating properties like normal diesel fuel does, making it harder on gaskets and seals. Starting fluid is widely available at any automotive supply chain and typically costs $4-5 per spray-can sized can.

How a Diesel Engine Fires
When we take a closer look at the basic mechanical principles of a diesel engine it become easier to understand why reaching for the starter fluid when you are having a tough time getting your Kubota to start is not a good idea.

In any diesel engine, only air is introduced to the combustion chamber. The compressing of this air raises the cylinder temperature to over 1000 degrees F (550 Celsius). At this precise moment, the tip of the injector opens and diesel fuel, also under pressure, is injected into the top of the combustion chamber. The extreme heat then ignites the atomized diesel fuel, firing the piston downward supplying power to the crankshaft.

Your Kubota’s diesel engine produces between 412 and 470 psi of compression. The air sucked into the engine on the upstroke is squeezed at a 19:1 ratio. Depending on the engine model, the tips of the injectors will open between 1700-3400 psi. These are high compression numbers! Your Kubota’s engine is pressure ignited and built to operate within its design limitations of 470 psi of compression. When we introduce an unregulated fuel source, like starting fluid, into the combustion chamber, the compression is much more volatile and can exceed specification – in short, that fluid can grenade the engine.

The Effects of Starting Fluid
The only way to get starter fluid into the engine of your fuel injected Kubota tractor is through the air box. When you spray starting fluid into the air box of the engine, it replaces a certain volume of air with a highly explosive and volatile fuel.

Once the engine is cranked over it quickly begins to compress the air and starting fluid now inside the combustion chamber. As the piston begins to move upwards compression increases and cylinder temperature begins to climb. However, since starting fluid will ignite at a lower temperature 360 F (182 C) versus the diesel fuel at 1000 F (550 C) a flame inside the combustion chamber occurs ahead of the injectors opening to deliver their fuel.

Kubota fuel injection pumps are designed to begin delivery to the injector at 14-22 degrees Before Top Dead Center (BTDC), depending on the specific engine model. This means that as the piston in still traveling upwards, a flame has already started inside the combustion chamber! Spray some diesel fuel into this flame ball and add a little more compression and you can see where this is going. BANG!

With starting fluid displacing the air, ignition now occurs explosively, uncontrollably and with such force that the upper limits of compression pressure are well exceeded. Never, ever use starting fluid on a diesel engine with glow plugs! KA-BLOOMIE!!



Good info and very well explained......;Sweet
 

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My biggest objection to the use of either is that it always results in an extremely advanced power stroke. Just the way the engine sounds when you crank it is reason enough to understand why it's bad for it.
 

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I started our old 6.9 everyday for about 3 years with a small shot through the filter. still runs great. Alot of semi's I've seen have it factory mounted on the firewall.
mercedes unimog diesel as well.
 

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It's all in how you use it - how much and how long. We use a lot of it up here all winter, no issues but we don't go nuts with it either.
 

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With the proper usage, not going crazy and just giving it a quick shot, I can see how it can be useful in some circumstances. Most of the time though, steer clear ;Sweet Thats how I look at it.
 

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Alot of semi's I've seen have it factory mounted on the firewall.

I've got one of those systems in my truck hooked to a pushbutton. On cold days I give the button a quick punch and it shoots a verrrry small amount into the airbox, just enough to fire the engine but no huge advanced fire like Mel pointed out. Standing by the truck you wouldn't know it started on ether, other than the smell from the exh pipe. The system uses 1/8" nylon hose (spaghetti hose).
 

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Since it got cold this year and I hadn't replaced my GP's there were a few times I needed to start her up on short notice and I used a split second spray into the intake of ether. Started fine. I've done it twice. I didn't like the way it sounded but it worked like magic. Mind you I didn't burn the single operating gp when doing it - to do so would be silly.

The truck starts without gp's when it's been on the block heater for more than an hour.

I've just taken to plugging both the trucks in whenever I'm going to use them, figure it'll spare the gp's the wear and the engine too. The IDI is on pushbutton with the stock controller disabled.
 

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Not that I condone it but, on a cold mornin here, the whole vally smells like either! Between the logger and ranchers its not to rare to see a can of go juice. I dont have to use it however, the air is so thick with it my truck gets a contact fixation.LOL
 

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It's all in how you use it - how much and how long. We use a lot of it up here all winter, no issues but we don't go nuts with it either.
Yep! I had to use ether to start my truck cold for about a year. If you use a VERY SMALL amount, you can get away with it, but it really isn't good for the engine...I would spray for less than 0.5 seconds into the air intake at the grille (before the air cleaner), and just enough would get to the engine to fire it off, with the glow plugs disabled.

I would only use it in an emergency, but it CAN be done safely if need be...
 

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