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Where does the GP Controller get its information for engine temperature that tells it how long to burn the GP's is it a designated water temp sensor???
*late last summer I installed a new GP Controller, all GP's, wiring etc is fine BUT whether it's 40° or 10° GP burn time is about the same, definitely not long enough for colder temps. Prior Controller (colder temps) would give me a solid 12-15 second burn. Maybe the new Controller is bad???
Edit... after the short 8 second GP burn the GP's will cycle on/off for a few more seconds.
And... has anyone ever used Carquest brand fuel filter/water separators? (similar to oem) thanks for the feedback.
 
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Yes on the fuel filters -- spin on with drain -- have used for about 15 years now
Thanks... locals no longer stock my usual Purolator, Wix or Motorcraft fuel filter/water separator however, Carquest brand is available at my local Autozone... only $20.00
 

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Where does the GP Controller get its information for engine temperature that tells it how long to burn the GP's is it a designated water temp sensor???
It gets the info from the glowplugs themselves. Have you heard of the "Z bar" on the controller? That is a very very low calibrated resistance on the controller block. All the current flowing through the glowplugs flows through this z bar. The very low resistance creates a very small voltage. Yes, it is actually stealing this voltage from the glowplugs, but it is very very small. The more current flows through the z bar, the higher the voltage. Lower current means lower voltage from the z bar. The circuitry in the glowplug controller monitors this very small voltage. That is how it determines the glow time.

When the glowplugs are cold, they draw a lot of current so the z bar voltage is high and the controller holds the plugs on for a long time. On a warm engine the glow plugs draw less current, so the z bar voltage is less, so the controller glows the plugs less.

The above is all well and good until things happen. If you have one glowplug go out, that lessens the current flow through the z bar so much that the controller will not glow the plugs long enough to start the engine. The wiring. If the connectors or the wiring has some corrosion and is limiting the current flow to the plugs, then of course that limits the flow through the z bar and the controller will short cycle again. If you do not have the exact correct glowplugs in the engine, they may draw more or less current. This of course changes the glow time.
 

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It gets the info from the glowplugs themselves. Have you heard of the "Z bar" on the controller? That is a very very low calibrated resistance on the controller block. All the current flowing through the glowplugs flows through this z bar. The very low resistance creates a very small voltage. Yes, it is actually stealing this voltage from the glowplugs, but it is very very small. The more current flows through the z bar, the higher the voltage. Lower current means lower voltage from the z bar. The circuitry in the glowplug controller monitors this very small voltage. That is how it determines the glow time.

When the glowplugs are cold, they draw a lot of current so the z bar voltage is high and the controller holds the plugs on for a long time. On a warm engine the glow plugs draw less current, so the z bar voltage is less, so the controller glows the plugs less.

The above is all well and good until things happen. If you have one glowplug go out, that lessens the current flow through the z bar so much that the controller will not glow the plugs long enough to start the engine. The wiring. If the connectors or the wiring has some corrosion and is limiting the current flow to the plugs, then of course that limits the flow through the z bar and the controller will short cycle again. If you do not have the exact correct glowplugs in the engine, they may draw more or less current. This of course changes the glow time.
An EXCELLENT explanation and thank you!
All OE Beru GP's and the only 'tests' I can and have performed over the decades of owning my truck since NEW is the 6-7 steps for the GP System in my Haynes 7.3 Diesel book. And over the decades of performing those tests all steps showed either everything in the system was good or/and I know when I had a bad GP (very short cycling/clicking) or the Controller was bad, as it was acting-up late last summer and I replaced it with a Ford part.
The one test in the book is for 'ambient temperature vs GP burn time' with the key-on using a test light and the "wait to start light". And unfortunately, like what it's currently doing as winter has set-in it's not performing as the book states and the book says to... "disconnect the battery and replace the GP controller."
I'll just say, the original controller from 1988 and controller #2 I replaced were beefy units. Controller #3 (this one) from Ford looked exactly like the cheaper controller from Napa but, the more costly Ford controller has a two year warranty and that's the one I purchased.
So, maybe the controller is faulty or, the resistance in the GP's are off ... they were all replaced just a few years ago.
Thanks again for your explanation.
 

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As a test, you can go out and unplug and plug back in all the glowplug connectors. Then see if that changes anything. I stumbled onto this while troubleshooting my system when I still had the controller.

It would not glow long enough, so I would go out and unplug each glowplug and check to see if they were good with a meter. They all were. So I plugged them all back in and while scratching my head over the situation, I tried it and low and behold it worked like it should. Didn't know why but ok. About a month later it started doing it again. Went through the same routine, and it started working again. That's when I figured out the connections on top of the plugs was not great and causing resistance. I will say a contributing factor to this, all the little white plastic pieces that surrounded the glowplug connectors had crumbled off.
 

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I will say a contributing factor to this, all the little white plastic pieces that surrounded the glowplug connectors had crumbled off.
I got my connectors set to about the right tension, and then put heat shrink wrap around them. Works great.
 

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As a test, you can go out and unplug and plug back in all the glowplug connectors. Then see if that changes anything. I stumbled onto this while troubleshooting my system when I still had the controller.

It would not glow long enough, so I would go out and unplug each glowplug and check to see if they were good with a meter. They all were. So I plugged them all back in and while scratching my head over the situation, I tried it and low and behold it worked like it should. Didn't know why but ok. About a month later it started doing it again. Went through the same routine, and it started working again. That's when I figured out the connections on top of the plugs was not great and causing resistance. I will say a contributing factor to this, all the little white plastic pieces that surrounded the glowplug connectors had crumbled off.
Oh yea... all my white plastic ends have crumbled away many years ago.
I put shrink wrap on all the ends and with a needle-nose pliers tried to 'pinch' the ends a little for a more 'firm' connection. I also use dielectric grease on the ends.
I've read that some owners cut-off the factory ends and crimp-on a female bullet connector... not too certain how well they last.
Thanks again for your Feedback.
 
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