Thanks so much for the input. Those numbers were great to see,I need to decide which ratio to go with. The trailor is 17k at the most loaded,5300 empty. But as I said I am towing less and less. The G/vender or Browning od would be great but it might be overkill (cost wise). Thanks for the offer on the 4.10s I will have to make a decision soon. Thanks for all the feedback so far,nothing like having all your expeireances at my finger tips.