oregon96psd
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So would a four banger ranger in low range, dont think the point is that it will do it but how well it does it. And sorry but i find the frame thing very hard to believe, they look like their made of tin foil.
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So would a four banger ranger in low range, dont think the point is that it will do it but how well it does it. And sorry but i find the frame thing very hard to believe, they look like their made of tin foil.
Silver Burner
Burnin' Oil&Rubber
Are you talking about an 80's ford frame looking like it's made of tin foil??? Those things are heavy-**** steel! And they're American steel. Aren't all the new trucks getting cheap Chinese steel?? There is a quality quotient in there too man. I'll take American-made steel anyday over the Chinese crap...
oregon96psd
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ya, the rear section of my 84 is tiny. its not even a channel in the rear really, just has a tiny little lip on the bottom of very thin steel. looks like the same exact frame as my 97, not all that big. i think theres a reason the newer ones weigh more than the old ones and have a way higher weight rating. not sayin the old ones are junk, just that the new ones are probably stronger.
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Silver Burner
Burnin' Oil&Rubber
How much more do they weigh? My 91 CC 4X4 weighs around 7500 pounds empty. I doubt an equivalent new one weighs much more.
Diesel_brad
Dunce
I will agree w Oregon on this one.
My 86 f250 reg cab 4wd 6.9 4 speed weighs in at 6400lbs
My buddys 97 F250 reg cab 4wd small block 5 speed weighs in at just under 7000.
The 90s trucks are definatly built heavier than the 80s trucks, no doubt about it.
then the Superdutys are even heavier
This is my brothers 05 f350 Crewcab 6.0 auto it weighs in at 9100lbs
Yes i realize it has front are rear ranchhand bumpers but they dont weigh 1500lbs more than the stock ones
My 86 f250 reg cab 4wd 6.9 4 speed weighs in at 6400lbs
My buddys 97 F250 reg cab 4wd small block 5 speed weighs in at just under 7000.
The 90s trucks are definatly built heavier than the 80s trucks, no doubt about it.
then the Superdutys are even heavier
This is my brothers 05 f350 Crewcab 6.0 auto it weighs in at 9100lbs
Yes i realize it has front are rear ranchhand bumpers but they dont weigh 1500lbs more than the stock ones
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pennsylvaniabo
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What i dont understand is that means you supposedly cant hook to any open trailer rated above 10k?
I really don't know if my old 83 F-350 with over 400K bone stock could even pull one of those 19.000 lbs trailers up the Colorado moutain , but I know
for sure if I was following one of those big 3 lastest and greatest pickup trucks up the moutain and for some strange reason that 50K 8000 lbs truck broke down "it cound happen" I could hook up a chain put my T-19 in 1st and with my 4:10 rear tow that truck up and over the mountain to the next dealership for repaires
for sure if I was following one of those big 3 lastest and greatest pickup trucks up the moutain and for some strange reason that 50K 8000 lbs truck broke down "it cound happen" I could hook up a chain put my T-19 in 1st and with my 4:10 rear tow that truck up and over the mountain to the next dealership for repaires
Diesel_brad
Dunce
What i dont understand is that means you supposedly cant hook to any open trailer rated above 10k?
Yes and no.
By the definition i posted, YES you can.
But buy the law NO, you can NOT tow a trailer more than 10k with out a class A CDL. Which means there are ALOT of illegal people out there. That is the reason my trailer is rated at 9,999lbs. so you can tow it with OUT a CDL. but it really doesn't matter to me since i have an A license
FordGuy100
Registered User
I believe my parents 2008 F-350 CCLB SRW 4x4 6.4 weighs right at 9K...maybe closer to 8750
Silver Burner
Burnin' Oil&Rubber
Well, they're definitely heavier then. But I can bet that a lot of that weight comes from all the (from lightest to heaviest in my mind) extra electronics for computers, stereo, airbags, heavier door panels, and then finally all the oversized body panels. Those newer superduty's have a bunch more sheetmetal on them than our old trucks. I don't think it's the frames as much as it is the extra sheetmetal and then the extra steel for rollover crashes and whatnot.
Diesel_brad
Dunce
Take a look at a SD frame. They are close to twice as thick as a 80/90s truck frame
pennsylvaniabo
Full Access Member
Yeh That was my thought......Im not sure what frames the rest of you are looking at, but SD frames are beef.
Goofyexponent
Mentally Unstable..
True The frames under our trucks are tougher than the iron in the gates of hell. But the BEST frame Ford EVER built was under a Louisville....called it a "drop frame"....it's waht's under my old Lousiville. 1973 frame, STILL has all the ORIGINAL rivets in it
built Ford tough!As a professional driver, I can tell you this. Getting UP the hiss is NOT the problem. You have enough power to haul an appropriate sized load up that with your pickup and trailer. The problem exists when going downhill. People let their speed get up too much, and try to nail the brakes. It's like trying to stop on ice....you won't. Even with that exhaust brake, you won't have enough braking power to stop if you let your speed creep up.
General rule of thumb. When transversing a downhill grade, go down itn in the SAME gear toy would climb UP it loaded. If you come up in third, go DOWN in it third with the same load on. I have NEVER had that rule come back and bite me yet.
Kevin 007
Full-floater
Whenever im driving any of my old diesels I always say to myself..."im never the first to the top of the hill but I always make it to the top".
FordGuy100
Registered User
True The frames under our trucks are tougher than the iron in the gates of hell. But the BEST frame Ford EVER built was under a Louisville....called it a "drop frame"....it's waht's under my old Lousiville. 1973 frame, STILL has all the ORIGINAL rivets in it
As a professional driver, I can tell you this. Getting UP the hiss is NOT the problem. You have enough power to haul an appropriate sized load up that with your pickup and trailer. The problem exists when going downhill. People let their speed get up too much, and try to nail the brakes. It's like trying to stop on ice....you won't. Even with that exhaust brake, you won't have enough braking power to stop if you let your speed creep up.
General rule of thumb. When transversing a downhill grade, go down itn in the SAME gear toy would climb UP it loaded. If you come up in third, go DOWN in it third with the same load on. I have NEVER had that rule come back and bite me yet.
There is no sound like going down a couple mile 6% grade hauling a 5K trailer in 3rd. Just enough slope to keep rpm's up, and just enough compression to keep from accelerating. Pure 55-60mph 3000rpm ish rasping IDI. Sounds so good
