IDI vs OLDer gas F series for long run parts, fuel ?

[Moretorque]

Its not going to be easy especially without being somewhere with time and tools.

Not to mention more then likely on a turbo idi, you are going to have "bigger" injectors, turned up IP if not an actual "bigger" IP, etc. Obviously being mechanical it isn't as simple as just loading in a new tune to fix those issues. So to answer your question if you can just disconnect and go; no not really.

Like stated already, the NA idi is going to be the best way to go for this scenario hands down.

(Side note)

Please with all due respect, dont make this thread into anything about what one of your mechanic or mechanic friends have told you; I simply can't continue reading that.

You are my mechanic, thanks for the info. Are you my friend ?

Actually all the techs I spoke to do work on these for a living accept one who quit Ford after the pay cuts came through. He bought a 6.4 but would rather have a 7.3 PS.

Is a Turbo IDI a little more complicated over a NA IDI or alot and are the Turbo's themselves easily rebuilt?

 

[ZWilson07]

You are my mechanic, thanks for the info. Are you my friend ?

Actually all the techs I spoke to do work on these for a living accept one who quit Ford after the pay cuts came through. He bought a 6.4 but would rather have a 7.3 PS.

Is a Turbo IDI a little more complicated over a NA IDI or alot and are the Turbo's themselves easily rebuilt?

I wouldn't call me your mechanic as there are some on here that know plenty more then I do, but I know I am not the first, nor second, nor third person that has mentioned something to you about constantly throwing those statements out in threads. Im in no way discrediting them or saying they are lieing to you, simply that if you're coming to us for help, don't keep throwing that out. I also have plenty of mechanic friends and Ford master techs that do some pretty ****** work sometimes as well so take what you hear with a grain of salt. Most of the guys here are guys that deal with these trucks day in and day out, drove, worked on, and lived with these trucks for years and years so they can usually give you the best real world advice possible including some that have also retired from ford or are still master mechanics/mechanics for a living. But hey I threw in the with all due respect so you knew I wasn't trying to be an a-hole about it.

But as far as a little vs a lot, I guess it would depend on your definition and all relative to what you are used to.

In the big scheme of things and in the turbo diesel world, a turbo idi is only a little more complicated and something that I am sure you could handle taking care of but again it depends on what you are talking about. Are we still talking about **** hitting the fan scenario here?

For the above questions, no I wouldn't want to try and switch the turbo back to an NA setup especially if it is one that is built up more then just say a stock style IDIT system for reasons also mentioned above.

As far as the original post, the idi is going to be at least just as good if not better then a gas motor for the long run and with fuel no question there.

Now idi, vs idit, vs idi with a bigger turbo system, it depends on what we are speaking of again. Are we still trying to compare these to older gas engines for the long run and fuel? Are we talking about SHF scenario? Or are we talking about just in general day to day life? Like everything in life, it usually never is one thing that is better then another; more it depends on what specifically you are wanting to use it for.

 

[Moretorque]

Thanks for the help, if we go into a situation where parts are no longer available you answered my ?. The Stock IDI is by far the best thing to own. I am curious because of the fact there were so many 302 trucks made and sold if for that reason in the parts department if they would not be better in that regard compared to a Navistar. The NA IDI was made for many years so obviously it is better than the T IDI which only had a 2 year run.

The PS were made for 8 or so years so I wonder if they may be a real good unit long term in a situation where parts dry up?

 

[riotwarrior]

Thanks for the help, if we go into a situation where parts are no longer available you answered my ?. The Stock IDI is by far the best thing to own. I am curious because of the fact there were so many 302 trucks made and sold if for that reason in the parts department if they would not be better in that regard compared to a Navistar. The NA IDI was made for many years so obviously it is better than the T IDI which only had a 2 year run.

The PS were made for 8 or so years so I wonder if they may be a real good unit long term in a situation where parts dry up?

Many here have answered these questions in much the same way, and bottom line for you.

YOU have to make an informed choice as to what you want to use. We have provided Pros to these old diesel trucks, explained that to just drop a turbo out of the system is not super simple and that a naturally aspirated model would be the simplest truck in regards to fuel and running.

YOUR choice on this info is what you have to go with. We cannot lead you more than provide info and saying it over and over won't help. We are not trying to convince you of something just mearly presenting suggestions.

An older GM with a 6.2 would be a good rig too. Any NA diesel that's simple and all mechanical would be good.

If SHF u may not be able to get a PS to run, depending on what happens...comp don't like electicro magnetic pulse and likely would not run, however an IDI would likely be running with minimal work!

You mention gassers, well this is primarily a diesel forum, we tend to sway that way. If you want a gasser you have more issues to contend with.

IF SHF start collecting parts NOW and keep them then when SHF your golden, it won't matter if it's for a gas or diesel truck just collect parts and start now.

You have to make the choice we won't and cannot for you.

 

[79jasper]

Last sentence of the first paragraph is not try at all.
The turbo version came out because competition was stepping up. People needed no powah. Plain and simple.

The psd is going to be way easier to find parts for in a d-day situmanation. Mmkay.
Think about how common 7.3 Powerstrokes are vs idi's.

Now gas engine durability, Chevy 350 FTW!!!
D-DAY, I would take a 7.3 psd with a tuner and have the drive through tune as one. You'll need to get around quietly while foraging. That's not happening with a idi.
Powerstroke will actually stand up to pretty good amounts of waste oils, long as you do it right.

302 is good also. Long as it's carb.

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[Moretorque]

Thanks for the input, what type of battering ram bumper should I get for the front and what kind of rocket launcher or rapid fire cannon would work best on a 1 ton?

 

[Ruger_556]

For an SHF rig I'd say an older International medium duty with a mechanical DT466 (Cable shut off) Maybe a dump box or a service body retrofitted to hold all your gear and a dump box could be armored without to much trouble.

 

[riotwarrior]

My other concern with what LCAM says, is can YOU perform the required mechanical work to keep it going yourself? You talk about mechanics and parts people....what do you think those folk will be doing when SHF? looking after their own!

From some of your posts it seems you rely heavily on support of mechanics.

Do you have a safe bugout location where major repairs could be done? If need be done alone? Do you have the tools?

Get a good running truck, collect parts, and prep, prep, prep for whatever you are expecting.

JM6CW

 

[79jasper]

:doh
I'd take a duece and half.
Or HMMWV.

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[Dsl_Dog_Treat]

Not sure where this thread is heading but if it can't regain technical merit, it'll head out of here.

 

[PackRat239]

Last sentence of the first paragraph is not try at all.
The turbo version came out because competition was stepping up. People needed no powah. Plain and simple.

The psd is going to be way easier to find parts for in a d-day situmanation. Mmkay.
Think about how common 7.3 Powerstrokes are vs idi's.

Now gas engine durability, Chevy 350 FTW!!!
D-DAY, I would take a 7.3 psd with a tuner and have the drive through tune as one.

Your 7.3 wont be running after a EMF episode. I will wave as I drive by.

 

[PackRat239]

Thanks for the input, what type of battering ram bumper should I get for the front and what kind of rocket launcher or rapid fire cannon would work best on a 1 ton?

This is getting weird!

 

[79jasper]

Your 7.3 wont be running after a EMF episode. I will wave as I drive by.

Neither will a idi, unless you rig up some mechanical fss.

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[PackRat239]

Yes, bit at least I have that option! Your computers and tuners will be toast. All I need is one bolt.

 

[79jasper]

Actually I have a 6.2/sm465 sitting in the yard, ready to go into something.

But if show us your ways of this "one bolt."
I'm sure plenty would like to see. Lol

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