IDI vs OLDer gas F series for long run parts, fuel ?

[Moretorque]

I am kinda curious as to what Ford F series would be the best to have for the long run in keeping them going with least amount of effort. I know the old 300 six was real good. Are the IDI's as good long term compared to like the old gas 302 351 300's for long term parts?

How do the newer gas modular engines compare with the older IDI, and gas units for long term operation?

If we went into a situation where fuel is real scarce are the IDI's better to have over a gasser?

Thanks for any input on what you think the future holds for keeping old trucks going.

 

[Oog]

I have bought and sold 400k mile IDIs. I have no idea how many times my personal IDI has rolled over. Judging by the pedals, at least 2-3.

I have had a ghettorigged fuel pump/filter fuel making device that pumps about 2 gal/hour that filters used oil for burning.

As for fuel stations, you're more likely to find gas stations that have gas vs. diesel.

 

[Moretorque]

Thanks for the reply, parts wise will it be easier to get parts for like the old V8 Gas compared to a IDI, like 302's were everywhere. One point that was made to me why the old IDI's are so great is you can throw whatever in the tank and burn it where the new trucks have to have specific fuel.

There is no doubt the new diesels are real nice but in a road warrior situation where you have to battle ghouls and monsters in a future acopalyptic waste land I guess being able to burn any type of oil would be a great advantage over anything else?

 

[riotwarrior]

I am kinda curious as to what Ford F series would be the best to have for the long run in keeping them going with least amount of effort. I know the old 300 six was real good. Are the IDI's as good long term compared to like the old gas 302 351 300's for long term parts?

How do the newer gas modular engines compare with the older IDI, and gas units for long term operation?

If we went into a situation where fuel is real scarce are the IDI's better to have over a gasser?

Thanks for any input on what you think the future holds for keeping old trucks going.

These old diesels will burn about anything you can think of for fuel if clean...if a situation went bad for fuel.

Get your truck in TOP notch condition, KEEP it there KEEP some spares a set of GP's Injectors and IP and lift pump, water pump, vacuum pump and alternator...normal life wear items. Hell keep two of each...and your golden you can load up n go where/whenever you want!

 

[Moretorque]

Thanks for the info, so you like them better than gas for a Road Warrior style vehicle? will the old style PS run the same type fuel oils?

 

[PackRat239]

Gasoline goes bad in storage.(quickly) Diesel not so much. Gas engine only burns gas,(without extra work) . IDI will burn lots of fuels. Sorta. Gasoline engine fumes are fatal. Diesel not so much. Gas engines dont like damp environments. Diesels can run underwater. Gasoline is explosive. Diesel not so much. Gasoline engine needs battery, (lots of it) to run. Diesel does not. ......

 

[Moretorque]

Thanks, so diesels are great if you can get the parts to keep going, we know there were a millions of 302's and 350's manufactured does that make them a lot better over a IDI because of parts and will a PS 7.3 operate on as many fuels as a IDI?. One of the major points a mechanic told me why he liked the older diesels was they would run on anything and the new ones have got to have a specific fuel type.

This was one of the major reasons he said they were junk and felt from what he led me to believe was the beauty of a diesel was they can run on about anything and the newer diesels have destroyed this very valid feature.

They all agreed the newer trucks when right were much nicer rigs but at what cost long term?

 

[92F350CC]

FWIW, I can let my 92 sit for a year at a time and the 351 takes it like a boss. It's been very cheap repair-wise in the many years I've owned it. It currently needs a slave cylinder, which is the first time its been in a non-driveable condition for as long as I can remember.

 

[Mulochico]

Thanks, so diesels are great if you can get the parts to keep going, we know there were a millions of 302's and 350's manufactured does that make them a lot better over a IDI because of parts

Getting parts is fine, but, as stated above, Gas goes bad a lot quicker than Diesel. If you don't have fuel, all the parts in the world won't help!!!!!

 

[Moretorque]

Will parts for a IDI be available as readily as a 302 or 351 or is a International Navistar a much more rare bird? ym belief is if civilization breaks down the older rigs will be much easier to keep running on parts especially gas because 302's were in everything.

If you cannot get gas then a diesel is better?, I am just curious because if you ever need a vehicle you can just jump in and go to run over zombies which is your best option.

 

[riotwarrior]

For pure simplicity...

NA 6.9 7.3 or other similar style diesel engine.

Next simplest in gas

Any carbeurated and point ign engine

regardless of what YOU choose, start ******* the parts..

Ya a 7.3 PS can...can run different fuels, however they are a different type of injector and more susceptible to problems with lets say questionable fuel. Also injectors are under valve covers and are hydraulic/elctronic based if I'm correct.

Bottom line the simpler the system is to make work from get go and keep going, the simpler it is to diagnose and such.

You know the merits of both, if you have a preference then go that way.

In answer of your question about will parts be available...

I'd myself be more concerned with food and water, however if parts are a concern I beilieve I suggested in my first post...collect em and keep em...plain and simple.

Who knows what would be available??? Not like we are The Amazing Kreskin or anything like that and able to predict the future...

 

[Moretorque]

For pure simplicity...

NA 6.9 7.3 or other similar style diesel engine.

Next simplest in gas

Any carbeurated and point ign engine

regardless of what YOU choose, start ******* the parts..

Ya a 7.3 PS can...can run different fuels, however they are a different type of injector and more susceptible to problems with lets say questionable fuel. Also injectors are under valve covers and are hydraulic/elctronic based if I'm correct.

Bottom line the simpler the system is to make work from get go and keep going, the simpler it is to diagnose and such.

You know the merits of both, if you have a preference then go that way.

In answer of your question about will parts be available...

I'd myself be more concerned with food and water, however if parts are a concern I beilieve I suggested in my first post...collect em and keep em...plain and simple.

Who knows what would be available??? Not like we are The Amazing Kreskin or anything like that and able to predict the future...

with a turbo IDI can't you just disconnect the turbo and go?

 

[riotwarrior]

with a turbo IDI can't you just disconnect the turbo and go?

You have an exhaust system feeding the turbo, and oil system feeding the turbo and an intake being fed by the turbo,

If in wost case scenario a NA engine is simplest to work with. LESS parts to fail...etc..make sense?

I'm just a bit curious as to your age btw?

 

[Moretorque]

You have an exhaust system feeding the turbo, and oil system feeding the turbo and an intake being fed by the turbo,

If in wost case scenario a NA engine is simplest to work with. LESS parts to fail...etc..make sense?

I'm just a bit curious as to your age btw?

So if you were to pull the turbo out of the loop the truck is not designed to work like that at all, I wonder how hard it would be to change the plumbing to take it out? a turbo is fine but like you stated it is more to go wrong. I love the turbo whine for sure.

I am 60, do you believe that?

 

[ZWilson07]

So if you were to pull the turbo out of the loop the truck is not designed to work like that at all, I wonder how hard it would be to change the plumbing to take it out? a turbo is fine but like you stated it is more to go wrong. I love the turbo whine for sure.

I am 60, do you believe that?

Its not going to be easy especially without being somewhere with time and tools.

Not to mention more then likely on a turbo idi, you are going to have "bigger" injectors, turned up IP if not an actual "bigger" IP, etc. Obviously being mechanical it isn't as simple as just loading in a new tune to fix those issues. So to answer your question if you can just disconnect and go; no not really.

Like stated already, the NA idi is going to be the best way to go for this scenario hands down.

(Side note)

Please with all due respect, dont make this thread into anything about what one of your mechanic or mechanic friends have told you; I simply can't continue reading that.