Further Adventures of Henry the Hydrogen Ford...

[BioFarmer93]

Well, in the course of the next two days I will be reinstalling the HHO system with its upgraded hardware and the water/alcohol injection system I just built. I will be busting ass to have everything done in time to leave early Sat. morning for the Florida mini-meet. Oh yeah, and new BB code Delphi's because there's going to be (hopefully) two members in attendance doing timing- no use timing on old injectors, right? Anyway, here is a photo of the spray head with three nozzles I came up with, complements of Home Depots plumbing aisle, and a link to my YouTube video showing mist volume and/or flow rate. At the end I ask for opinions as to the flow rate- if you have ever had or have a system, please let me know if this is in the ballpark, too much or too little- Thanks guys!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9n7NI0ivOU

 

[77f250diesel]

Looking forward to meeting you and check out all your improvements.

I have one timing settup and hopefully JD will bring his, I'd like to see a comparison of the two methods.


Dennis

 

[icanfixall]

How are you going to plumb three injectors to the intake... As for too much... I have never seen or know what others are injecting...

 

[BioFarmer93]

@77F250Diesel- And I'm looking forward to meeting you and the others too, Also really interested in seeing how either method of timing is done on these engines...

@Icanfixall- Well, in keeping with my natural tendency to follow the K.I.S.S. principle whenever possible, I just drilled three holes in the appropriate places in the lid to the air cleaner housing and let the plumbing lay on top. The gaps around the nozzles are closed with sealant, which is also used to hold the plumbing in place.

 

[snicklas]

BioFarmer,

If you look at this thread and look at post 4, this is the setup that Trav had on E1 and this amount, while he was playing around with it at a rally, is what killed the 4th engine in the Enterprise. This nozzle pumped about 15 gallons of water/**** (Windshield Washer Fluid) into the truck in about an hour. He was "minorly" hydrolocking the engine on each compression stroke. He cracked all 8 pistons and was in the process of shoveing the wristpin toward the crown of the piston..... I do not think you are flowing that near as much as Trav was, but there is a compairson picture for you.

 

[WrickM]

yeah start slo on the water **** injection. a little can go a long way. In my prior life working with series I & II 3800 gm motors with the series I we could get great gain with water **** to cool the boost/add fuel/increase compression, but the series II fuel injected just never really took to it. Even on the series I engines we'd add a little and things would be great, add just a little more and performance would tank, and we didn't have to worry about hydrolocking. I think on these engines water/**** is the way to go, just be cautious.

 

[Agnem]

Just remember when water turns to steam, it tries to occupy a space 14 times what it took up as water. Also remember that steam and water are related to presure. If you put steam into a cylinder, and then compress that cylinder, even at higher temps, the steam can turn back into water. When the presure is suddenly released, the water will turn instantly to steam and expand 14 times. This is what causes deadly steam locomotive boiler explosions. If the boiler ruptures due to a failed crown sheet, well then you have 600 gallons of water trying to fill a space needed to hold 8400 gallons of water. That's a bit of a problem. So the question becomes in your water injection, does the water stay water, does it turn to steam before the combustion event, or after? And at what RPM? I appluad your efforts to re-explore this, as the water injection can be a very good thing if done right, but we have not exactly figure out what "done right" is.

 

[ghunt]

I'm interested in the **** injection idea...might try to round up those parts and give it a try sometime soon!

 

[BioFarmer93]

Well, Thank you gentlemen, the input was needed and appreciated. Snicklas, thanks for pointing me to that photo of Travis'. That really helped calm my nerves, as I am not pumping ANYTHING like that amount of water.. The nozzles I'm using make a much finer fog and and the three of them together @70psi can only deliver 2.35gph. I have a fourth nozzle that can be installed at a later date, but I want to see the effects of the current set up first. Thanks again guys.

 

[pybyr]

In light of what Mel mentioned about how steam has an immense desire to expand in any direction it can go, which presumably includes vapor past the rings, is there a need to be on the lookout for water accumulation in the oil?

 

[6.9poweredscout]

if water turning to steam expands so quick how come we haven't designed an engine to make water injected into a hot cylinder turn to steam and "run like a regular engine??" i've always pondered this....

-Jon

 

[subway]

if water turning to steam expands so quick how come we haven't designed an engine to make water injected into a hot cylinder turn to steam and "run like a regular engine??" i've always pondered this....

-Jon

isent that just a steam engine and i think Mel is off by a factor, steam is 1600 times the size of an equivalent amount of water.

 

[WrickM]

powerscout. . . ask and ye shall receive. Behold,The Crower "6 stroke" diesel/steam engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crower_cycle

The issue is what water does to the components used to inject it. There are several patents out there for dual fuel injectors, but they all fail kinda quick because of the water (so my research tells me, obviously i have not done this myself)

It's so cool(figurative and literal). no need for a radiator or coolant passages or anything.

 

[6.9poweredscout]

amazing, i guess i can start sleeping now and forget about inventing a "steam diesel IDI...."

-Jon

 

[WrickM]

screw that here i will give you my idea. same concept but instead of six strokes you just fire two clylinders per 720* of crank rotation on water and of course alternate cylinders every powerstroke. It's simple and amazing. . run with it.