Bad valve seat/guide

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Got a chuffing/hissing sound coming from the intake. Couple people on Facebook say it’s probably a bad seat. I’ve been driving this thing with that noise for a good while now so I’m curious on next steps and general input. I have a decent head from a previous engine I could probably throw on this one if I have too. I know the best route is to pull the heads and have em machined but I need this thing running in the mean time. What do y’all think
 

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I saw your video and it definitely sounds like compression is coming back through the intake.
I don't recall, does the engine run smoothly or does it have a definite miss? If it has a miss, then I would pull the valve covers first and look under there. You might find a problem there and not have to pull the heads at all. You might have to start the engine and watch the rocker arms to see if they're working correctly. You have to pull the valve covers to remove the heads anyway so that will be one less step that you have to do. It may save you a lot of hassle. I'd pull the valve covers even if the engine doesn't have a miss just to see.
 

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Do a cylinder leakage test or compression test first, should tell you which cylinder you need to be looking at.
 

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When I found my bad exhaust valve guide I pulled the covers and one side was super clean and the other side was really dirty. I could see the bad valve guide and missing, broken seals.
 

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I saw your video and it definitely sounds like compression is coming back through the intake.
I don't recall, does the engine run smoothly or does it have a definite miss? If it has a miss, then I would pull the valve covers first and look under there. You might find a problem there and not have to pull the heads at all. You might have to start the engine and watch the rocker arms to see if they're working correctly. You have to pull the valve covers to remove the heads anyway so that will be one less step that you have to do. It may save you a lot of hassle. I'd pull the valve covers even if the engine doesn't have a miss just to see.
Compression leaking into the intake is a thought I had awhile ago. It runs good aside from some occasional low power issues which I attribute to some air intrusion I had been fighting. But once I kill the engine when it’s hot, it’ll let little hisses out almost like pressure is relieving so this is why I considered the compression leaking. I put studs, new head gaskets, as well an intake gasket on this engine when I got it. It was in solid shape. I’m going to do a compression test like IHC1740 said and pull valve covers to see what I can find and I’ll return with what I get.
 

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Okay so I pulled valve covers. Gonna have to rig up a glow plug adaptor for the comp test. One thing I did notice is smoke coming from what looks to be the pushrod holes, but it could be passing the valves. Another thing is I noticed that two separate pushrods aren’t getting oil coming out of them onto the rockers? Can’t imagine that’s normal. Pretty sure it was cylinder 5&4. Battery’s are toast on this thing though, now it’s new batteries for it so I can crank it for the comp test.
 

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One thing I did notice is smoke coming from what looks to be the pushrod holes, but it could be passing the valves.
That's crankcase gasses.
Another thing is I noticed that two separate pushrods aren’t getting oil coming out of them onto the rockers? Can’t imagine that’s normal.
No it's not normal. The pushrods get their oil through the lifters. If, for some reason, one or more of your lifters aren't getting enough oil into them, that could possibly explain why you're getting combustion back through the intake. If a lifter for an exhaust valve doesn't have enough oil pressure to hold it open, then it's not letting all or at least some of the burned gasses out of the exhaust valve. When your intake valve opens, some of the combustion left overs can come back out of the cylinder through the intake valve. The piston has compressed what is still left in the cylinder so it has more pressure than the incoming fresh air. That means that the compressed mixture in the cylinder will leave by the only available opening. The intake valve.
While this doesn't have a very big chance of happening, it's still a possibility.
 

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That's crankcase gasses.

No it's not normal. The pushrods get their oil through the lifters. If, for some reason, one or more of your lifters aren't getting enough oil into them, that could possibly explain why you're getting combustion back through the intake. If a lifter for an exhaust valve doesn't have enough oil pressure to hold it open, then it's not letting all or at least some of the burned gasses out of the exhaust valve. When your intake valve opens, some of the combustion left overs can come back out of the cylinder through the intake valve. The piston has compressed what is still left in the cylinder so it has more pressure than the incoming fresh air. That means that the compressed mixture in the cylinder will leave by the only available opening. The intake valve.
While this doesn't have a very big chance of happening, it's still a possibility.
We’ll this thing has a few bit of oil leaks, I’m going to start patching them up while I wait for the compression adapter to arrive and just chip away at this thing until it’s good to go.
 

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Returning to this thread to spitball some thoughts. Finally got my heads back, valve job with new guides.

Before I start slapping this thing together, I want to return to the fact that I wasn’t getting oil coming out of two pushrods/rockers, and I think this is what ultimately lead to the valve guides wearing out. The guides were fine on all other valves, except for those two. So, my question now is what would cause a lifter not to fill completely and starve the pushrods/rockets/guides of oil? The pressure was slightly low on the engine before pulling it apart but I attribute that to how much it was leaking and it was always above the 10 psi/1k rpm’s rule. How common is it for the oil pumps on these things to wear out? Any thoughts on all of this?
 

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Although the oil pumps can wear out, it's not very common as long as you keep up on your oil changes.
As for the lifter question, I say that it depends on which lifters. The farther they are from the oil pump, the sooner they'll stop letting oil though if there's a problem.
 

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Either that, or a push tube got clogged up. The cam followers are hydraulic, so I'd imagine if they stopped passing oil, they'd collapse?
 

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Either that, or a push tube got clogged up. The cam followers are hydraulic, so I'd imagine if they stopped passing oil, they'd collapse?
That’s a good point I hadn’t considered. I’m going to clean the rods and order new lifters just to save myself the stress.
 

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