Darn CDR Valve....

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I believe your idea of how these cdr works is incorrect. The design is to close when the engine starts pulling vacuum on the oil pan side of the engine. This sucks closed the "valve" in the can. Inside that can looking thing is a thin rubber diaphram with metal backing plates of both sides of it. The thin rubber membrane does not take kindly to cleaning so it tears. Then its useless. They are supposed to be replaced on a regular time line and thats still debated here. I think I read something like every oil change but can't confirm that... Sounds like thats a bit excessive to me. Another read I got was replace around 50,000 miles... Hope someone can post up what they know..
 

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i can't beleive they charg $80 for a new one. that is how much i paid for mine last summer, and i suspect it is junk. my truck is drinking oil at an ALARMING rate. about a qrt of oil ever 1-2 weeks. i've been told it could be a bad CDR. i have a couple oil leaks here and there, but nothing that would cause this much oil loss.
 

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The only time the cdr us going to do jack if if you have a horribly clogged air filter.....

You need at least 1-2 psi of vacuum in the intake to get that thing to close..... And if you've got that kind of vacuum you've got other problems.

Cdr has no function other than to keep your engine from sucking all the oil up in the event the intake cliffs completely.

No connection to oil consumption - none.
 

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Well I have oil coming up through the cdr valve, which is coating my intake with a mist of oil. It's not an alarming amount but it cause quite a bit of smoke.
 

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's something other than a cdr valve.

How much oil are you loosing? Can you actually see oil coming through the valve? It's normal to have oil coating the valve and inside of the intake. Photos/video would help. Sounds like some sort of an internal engine problem if it's a bad as you say.
 

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There is definitely oil coming through the cdr valve, when I take my air filter off and look in to the little hole where the cdr goes to there is oil in there, I mean, I lose from full to low between oil changes so its not excessive. I do know for a fact that its coming from there.
 

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I would suspect your CDR is just fine. It is a very simple device. Not much to go wrong with it.

You describe a very common problem with any engine with 80+k miles. Blow-by. Compression getting past worn rings and pressurizing the crank case. That pressure has to go some where, so it goes thru the CDR into the intake manifold.
 

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Yeah, that has been crossing my mind, the engine only has 100K on it so i suppose it's gettin up there. I'm still going to replace the CDR, i am suspicious of it ha.
 

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In my experience, and the experience of many on this forum, a bad cdr will cause excessive oil consumption. For me personally on my F-350, replacing my cdr cut my oil consumption from a quart every 400 miles to a quart every 1800 miles. If your cdr is full of oil it is very likely the problem.
 

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Yeah, I kinda figured that. Everyone seems to have their opinion so I'm going with mine lol. I was just looking for the part ha. Which I was finally able to find.
 

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The only time the cdr us going to do jack if if you have a horribly clogged air filter.....

You need at least 1-2 psi of vacuum in the intake to get that thing to close..... And if you've got that kind of vacuum you've got other problems.

Cdr has no function other than to keep your engine from sucking all the oil up in the event the intake cliffs completely.

No connection to oil consumption - none.

Not at all true.
The CDR functions in a much more complex manner than just by vacuum alone. It also operates by the pressure being built up inside the crankcase by the blowby pressure. Have you ever noticed how small the outlet is for teh CDR? Much too small for a true functional RDT for a diesel engine this size ( heck the 216 gas engine in my 41 chevy has a RDT over TWICE that diameter... are we getting the picture here?) pressure alone is not enough to remove blowby gasses properly, it requires a balances level of crankcase scavanging via vacuum to pull the gasses out. The problem arises when rpms get too high or crankcase pressure gets too high, , if you just have a straight tube, then the vacuum will get too high along with the pressure and a siphoning effect will setup and your intake will begine to suck the oil straight out of your engine. If its bad enough you can wind up with a runaway ( ask the nice folks at VW about this )
Along comes teh CDR, notice it is called a Crankcase REGULATOR not a crankcase open closer. When the pressure/ vacuum situation approaches that critical point, the diaphram begins to FLUTTER to break the vacuum , in turn stopping the siphoning effect and keeping your oil where it belongs . THis can happen any time, either at high rpms or when stuffing your foot into it. Worn or sticky rings can give it a real work out.
If the CDR were to actually close off , you would quickly blow out all of your major seals ireparably .
If it fails to pull in or has a hole in it, then it is incapable of breaking teh vacuum and you will continue to suck oil in, plain and simple.

By the manual they are supposed to be cleaned at each oil change, most have never been touched by the time second owners get them and are in horrible shape.
By rights, you should be able to get at least 100=150k out of one, they use the same setup on manu Cat engines and they hold up quite well, but you need to take care of them. Sludge will kill them quickly, if not cleaned it will eat teh diaphram up, broken down oil gets nasty and eats things up _
 

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Another thing you may wish to consider, even though your engine is low milage, is to run a couple of treatments of Auto Rx low mileage means it hasnt been driven much and likely has sat a lot. Sticky rings will contribute a lot to excess blow by and older diesels are notorious for this. You might just be amazed at what a good cleaning would do for your engine. It will be like new inside after doing that and your seals will thank you.
 
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