Bandaid on a bullet wound

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Brace yourselves for a long and potentially rambeling post. A big thank you to anyone that actually reads this and responds.

I purchased my truck a couple months ago and today was first time Ive had her sound enough to drive further than a few miles. The fellow I purchased her from told me that she burns ~1 gallon of oil per 3k miles. This wasnt ideal but for my purposes I thought it would do. However, today she burned a quart in 100 miles... So ~7 gallons in 3k miles!! This is absolutely an unstainable amount of oil loss for me. I cant justify having a truck that needs an gallon of oil every time I go hunting. So my first question is this - is it possible get a truck like this to a reasonable level of oil consumption? My concern is that I will throw a lot of time and money at this only to put a bandaid on a bullet wound.

If you believe I shouldn't jump ship please read on and help me figure out what in the hell is going on. Here is a little background on my ****** mistress..

The truck is a 1994 7.3 idi factory turbo with 191k miles on the clock. Before I purchased her she sat for a couple years. On today's cold start (45F) oil was at 50psi. After she warmed up idoling was at at 9psi and held 34psi under regular driving (1500 - 2000rpm). This all seems low to me... correct me if im wrong. I just changed the oil to rotella 15w-40 with a hotshots additive. Both of which would lower viscosity but I'm not sure if that would account for pressure that low.

She does have a good bit of blow by that dissapates under acceleration (I've posted videos of it in previous posts if you would like to see). I changed the CDR but saw no noticeable difference in the blowby amount. Im thinking of putting in a catch can, but I cant imagine that would make a huge impact on the amount of consumption im seeing.

In general she doesnt smoke all that much and when she does its usually white and fuel smelling. I find it odd that I'm losing so much oil and not seeing any blue smoke. The smokeing primarily occurs on a cold start or after she is left to sit still for a bit, this includes stop lights. Causing me to think that my valve seals could be part of my consumption issue. This would be a big job for me to replace these, so again is it worth it?

The previous owner had new turbob seals put in, so its unlikely that loss is occuring there. Its possible that my crankcase pressure is significant enough to prevent oil from draining out of the turbo. Or perhaps the line is just blocked. I need to do a little more research on how to troubleshoot this. Let me know if you have any tips.

I'm afraid that if I tried to sell this truck I couldnt get what I paid for it without lying. And I dont belive I could do that. I am also a worried that throwing money at it won't be worth it. If you were in my shoes what would you do? Sell it or stick it out? If you would stick it out what would your list of troubleshooting be? With the most simple things first and the more costly / difficult things last.

I appreciate yall
 

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first off, these trucks are not for the faint of heart.
i jumped into these trucks completely and have quite of bit of coin in mine.
its also very custom, and a daily driver.

first off, lets address the oil youre running..
across the board these things drink rotella like a margarita on cinco de mayo.
i run delo 15w40 and seems to have less consumption as the rotella.

the truck has been sitting for a few years.
its likely that rings are stuck a bit.
run it for a while and change the oil, youre more than likely to see better results after its got some miles on it.
when i get a truck like this, im usually ripping the engine out and going through it, for my own, insane piece of mind.

white smoke.
a bit of white smoke on start up is normal.
should dissipate after a few minutes.
contributing factors are also air intrusion.
the injector return line caps are the most likely culprit along with what we call "olives"
these "olives" are on both sides of the filter head, to the feed line of the IP.
and depending whats been done to your truck, the return line from the IP to the "manifold" on the back.
these items are wear items and should be addressed before going any further.
i usually delete the olives and find alternative methods such as "hard line delete" kits, that can be found for around $40 a pop.

followed by degraded rubber line to the fuel lift pump. and working back to the fuel switch valve.

if you have broken pick ups in the tanks, and the tanks are below 1/4 tank, this can also suck air into the system...

IT IS VERY VITAL FOR THESE ENGINES TO HAVE WELL MAINTAINED AND LEAK FREE FUEL SYSTEMS..
this is the one thing i stress to "booters"

white smoke is also a sign of retarded injection pump timing.

a worn out injection pump can also cause this. remember the injection pump and the injectors are the brains of these engines.
if you want to rely on these trucks for daily operation, i suggest replacing after address everything above if youre still having issues.

the only other thing i would like to stress is that we are all sitting on a computer of some sorts to converse and answer questions/have questions answered.
pictures are pretty vital to online diagnostic.

that said, heres my ldaily driver.
 

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Ok
Bear with me here
Onna fone at the coast...
Rotella is known to be an idi:s favorite drink.
Go to the blue jug...
Blow-by It's heavy in idi:s.
Should hit the stickies and hall of shame...
 
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Ok
BEER with me here
Onna fone at the coast...
Rotrlls is known to be an idi:s favorite drink.
Go to the blue jug...
Blow-by I'd heavy in idi:s.
Should hit the stickies and hall of shame...
Brb
FIXED FOR YA BUD!
 

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Guess it's Corona time ...
Inside joke o.p


I put a qt in during an oil ch. Interval.
Sub 60 k factory miles..
First thing
Load the bed down and tie on something HEAVY, then get it hot and sweaty for @ least an hour or so...
PS put truck starts in yet sig line per towcat...
Helps us I'd the equipment to diagnose....
 
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My 58k og 93
 

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I too agree, your blow by could be from sitting for years and causing some of your oil consumption. I would change your oil and filter and use Delo this round. (Walmart has both for less. Costco will have just Delo.). Run it for 3,000 miles and see what happens. Read some prior posts to confirm but as I recall some suggest a quart of Marvel Mystery oil can help with stuck rings. Give it some time before you abandon ship.

Don’t assume anything the PO said is fact. Maybe he did the turbo seals, but maybe he or his mechanic did them wrong. So look for a good amount of oil in the intake side of the turbo. Clean then there is no leak on the intake side. A little oil would be suspect, a lot of oil and that is a leak. Also see if you are leaking oil somewhere onto the ground, maybe you are loosing oil to the outside too. Main seal, valve cover, oil cooler etc. These trucks seep but shockingly most of us do not experience big leaks. My engine is dirty and greasy from 30 years and 189,000 miles but I do not seem to leak onto the ground. Your CDR valve does not stop blow by, just tries to separate as much oil as it can. Remember a diesel can burn oil, a gasser only tries to. (You may not see white smoke out of a diesel unless running down an exhaust valve and partially burning in the exhaust system.)

However you do need to take a reality check if a IDI is the right truck for you. Your truck is 28 years old and has 190,000 miles. Two things kill vehicles, age and mileage. Your truck likely has a few years and thousands of miles left to go. But at the cost of wrenching on it regularly and spending good money. So if working on your truck every month is not what you want to be doing (You rather spend your weekend in a tree stand or at a lake.) think about a new or slightly used gasser F150 or 1500. Buy yourself out of wrenching on a 30 year old truck By getting a new one that only needs oil changes, brakes, and tires for the next 60,000 miles.

Also note you are not the only one to ever gotten frustrated with these old beasts. Take a day or two off, cooler minds will prevail.

But overall most of us find they are runners and don’t leave you stranded very often if you take care of them. Also know that any diesel will cost you double to operate vs a gasser. Point in case you will use about 12 quarts each oil change vs 5/6 quarts with a gasser. Spark plug $8, injector $80. Fuel pump $200, rebuilt injector pump $800.(Or more if your core was not rebuildable.) Unless you got lucky you likely paid double for the little emblem on the front that said “Diesel”. If you tow or just love the smell of diesel in the morning it’s all worth it. If you just bought a cheap hunting truck well maybe that was not the case after all. So it’s time to decide what works for you before you dump a bundle into it.
 

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I made the mistake of using Rotella oil once and never made that mistake again. Just think of Rotella oil as a good ring cleaner because the engine sat for a long time. Delo works great. Try driving you truck up hill and mash pedal down up hill and look for white to heavy gray smoke. Heavy Gray Smoke is Head Gasket. White smoke is air intrusion into fuel system. Hope that Help
 

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As others have said; the cheap gallons of Wally World Delo will do you fine. I'm at the point I just keep it topped off and spin a filter on every year or two. Oil can disappear through a lot of small leaks, blowby into the turbo intake, valve stem seals, etc. Took a lot of small chases and finally not burning off nearly what I was even a few years ago. That said, a big help was running the highway from CdA to Missoula or down to Poky (especially with a trailer) and it cleaned up about everything running.

Oil always reads low on IDIs since it was more about flow than pressure. Factory gauges can drop to zero sitting at a stoplight warmed up.
 

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191,000 isn’t much on these trucks. It should have many miles left unless it was totally abused. You mentioned thinking turbo line is blocked or blowby is stopping it from draining. What are you seeing that makes you think that? What type of fuel mileage are you getting?
 

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I agree also. Change the oil… and at short intervals.. I would even use the SuperTech or Traveler brands (Even the cheap oils are better than the oils we had 40 years ago).

Then take it out and work it. Put a trailer behind it or throw something heavy in the bed (you mentioned being a hunter, if you have a 4 wheeler, put it in the bed). Don’t drive it like a rental, but don’t baby it. I have found that a diesel, and as time goes on with my other truck, any boosted engine, they like to be worked. I have a 4000 lb Travel Trailer, and my 03 6.0 and my 11 F-150 3.5 EcoBoost run much better after a camping tri, getting everything nice and warm and making it work.

A vehicle sitting is one of the worst things you can do to a vehicle.
 

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If you just put the Rotella in it, I wouldn't throw it away. I feel like the Hot Shot Secret Stiction Eliminator is a good product, and will help free up stuck rings etc. I ran a heavy dose in mine once, and I feel like it made an improvement in oil consumption. I will also join the chorus recommending giving it a good work out. One other thing to point out on the factory turbos is that they have ridiculously small air filters. A restriction there could cause it to pull extra crankcase vapors and oil mist into the intake.
 

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Another thing that hasn't been mentioned... How are you checking the oil? These are designed to be checked hot, and the oil will expand some when hot. If you're filling it to the top of the hash marks when it's cold you're going to go through a little more.

I can't make much sense of it, but my truck seems to guzzle the first quart and then sip gently at the second quart much slower.

Just an fyi, Mobil Delvac does not meet Ford's newer spec for CK oils, which is terrible because it's on sale right now LOL
 

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I buy the cheapest oil I can find and a Wix filter. Then I dog the ***-wadding out the thing when I go to my other job in the next county. with a 4.10 gear you can hear it talking. However, mine seldom gets above 160 degrees on a hot day. BTW :Clb , my LuLuBelle is the kissing cousin to your ride, except mine is a farm/ranch truck with lots of scars......
 

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