I had to stop at our local Chevron fuel supplier so I asked about lube in the fuel since removing the sulfur removed the lube too. The head honcho told me that all diesel fuel in social is 5%bio both for lube and to please the greenies.if that's the case I don't need to be adding any more 2 stroke oil.
5% bio in socal.
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Knuckledragger
blowing chunks and grabbing porcelain
I would be very interested in getting that statement verified. Why would the petroleum industry make that addition, unless the industrial users (trucks, trains) demanded it? Our usage doesn't amount to spit in the big picture but if the railroad companies and/or trucking industry are interested in lubricity, maybe we will benefit. I'm getting tired of adding oil when I fill up, too.
FoolhardyIDI
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Same here in AZ. 5% bio in all the diesel.
bbjordan
Snow Monkey
Renewable Fuel Standard
Canada has Federal mandate of 2% Biodiesel in Diesel sold at the pump.
The whole biodiesel thing in the US is a bit of a mess. The EPA sets the Renewable Fuel targets, and is empowered by congress to design and implement the system. They have set some aggressive targets, but bio-fuel producers haven't produced enough to meet those targets. So the government has provided tax incentives to encourage the producers. The problem is, there is no guarantee that the incentives will stay. In the last 6 years, the incentives have expired 4 times! Not good if you are a bio-fuel producer and don't know how much money you are going to make on your product.
"The U.S. biodiesel tax incentive expired for the fourth time on December 31, 2014 and the industry is awaiting clarity on the incentive for 2015. Uncertainty surrounding the renewal of the biodiesel tax incentive could cause continued short
term confusion in the market and pricing volatility." -from BIOXCorp 2015 Q2 Earnings Release
They are waiting to see how much they can collect in Refundable Tax Credits for bio-fuel sold in 2014!
To make matters worse, the conventional fuel producers are petitioning the EPA to lower the standards as they can be fined for not meeting the Renewable Fuel Standard. How can they meet it if they can't get the bio-fuels to blend with?
Its hard to get a fledgling industry off the ground amidst all of the uncertainty. An upcoming presidential election doesn't help either.
Wikipedia has some info on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel_in_the_United_States
From:
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2013/12/31/biofuels-mandates-around-the-world-2014/
"A state mandate worth noting is Minnesota’s B10 biodiesel mandate. We reported in October that the Minnesota Departments of Agriculture, Commerce and the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency announced the move to a B10 biodiesel mandate. The departments say that the four conditions required to move to B10 have been met. Those conditions were federal standards for blend specifications, the production capacity of biodiesel in Minnesota, the amount of infrastructure and regulatory protocol for biodiesel blending, and the source of feedstocks. The policy was meant to come into place in 2012 with B20 planned for 2015."
Can anyone in Minnesota verify this?
Biodiesel is good stuff. It raises the cetane rating of the fuel and provides added lubricity. I've been running biodiesel for a few years now. I have stopped running 100% biodiesel, and now only run 20%. This is for a number of reasons:
1. It's getting harder for me to get biodiesel.
2. Running straight bio I lose a little bit of power. The energy density is 9% less than D2.
3. 20% Bio provides optimal lubricity. There is no benefit to be gained by running more than 20%.
Both my IDIs and Powerstrokes love it.
My 2 cents worth...
Canada has Federal mandate of 2% Biodiesel in Diesel sold at the pump.
The whole biodiesel thing in the US is a bit of a mess. The EPA sets the Renewable Fuel targets, and is empowered by congress to design and implement the system. They have set some aggressive targets, but bio-fuel producers haven't produced enough to meet those targets. So the government has provided tax incentives to encourage the producers. The problem is, there is no guarantee that the incentives will stay. In the last 6 years, the incentives have expired 4 times! Not good if you are a bio-fuel producer and don't know how much money you are going to make on your product.
"The U.S. biodiesel tax incentive expired for the fourth time on December 31, 2014 and the industry is awaiting clarity on the incentive for 2015. Uncertainty surrounding the renewal of the biodiesel tax incentive could cause continued short
term confusion in the market and pricing volatility." -from BIOXCorp 2015 Q2 Earnings Release
They are waiting to see how much they can collect in Refundable Tax Credits for bio-fuel sold in 2014!
To make matters worse, the conventional fuel producers are petitioning the EPA to lower the standards as they can be fined for not meeting the Renewable Fuel Standard. How can they meet it if they can't get the bio-fuels to blend with?
Its hard to get a fledgling industry off the ground amidst all of the uncertainty. An upcoming presidential election doesn't help either.
Wikipedia has some info on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel_in_the_United_States
From:
http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2013/12/31/biofuels-mandates-around-the-world-2014/
"A state mandate worth noting is Minnesota’s B10 biodiesel mandate. We reported in October that the Minnesota Departments of Agriculture, Commerce and the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency announced the move to a B10 biodiesel mandate. The departments say that the four conditions required to move to B10 have been met. Those conditions were federal standards for blend specifications, the production capacity of biodiesel in Minnesota, the amount of infrastructure and regulatory protocol for biodiesel blending, and the source of feedstocks. The policy was meant to come into place in 2012 with B20 planned for 2015."
Can anyone in Minnesota verify this?
Biodiesel is good stuff. It raises the cetane rating of the fuel and provides added lubricity. I've been running biodiesel for a few years now. I have stopped running 100% biodiesel, and now only run 20%. This is for a number of reasons:
1. It's getting harder for me to get biodiesel.
2. Running straight bio I lose a little bit of power. The energy density is 9% less than D2.
3. 20% Bio provides optimal lubricity. There is no benefit to be gained by running more than 20%.
Both my IDIs and Powerstrokes love it.
My 2 cents worth...
icanfixall
Official GMM hand model
Well if its actually in our diesel why is it not posted on the diesel pumps at the stations we use? If supply is way behind useage then what are we doing. Forcing the production companys t to use whats not available and fine them for not using what they can't buy.. Sounds alot like big government in involved once again.
crash-harris
Breaker! Breaker!
Makes me wonder, is there a difference between #1 and #2 diesel? I always see Pilot stations signs switching back and forth between the 2 for the prices, so what's in the pump wroth the smaller nozzle that fits into our fillers on the trucks?
I have held one of the large ones that won't slip in into the filler neck in place for a few gallons on a trip before I noticed the correct pump.
I have held one of the large ones that won't slip in into the filler neck in place for a few gallons on a trip before I noticed the correct pump.
kuskoal
Full Access Member
#1 diesel is more like kerosene/JP5. Lightyer weight fuel oil that won't gel or get weird with freezing temps. Also has less BTU's per gallon then #2.
There are stations in the San Diego area(actually most of California) That sells B20 competitively priced. The 6.9 loved it when it was down here. Propel is the company
There are stations in the San Diego area(actually most of California) That sells B20 competitively priced. The 6.9 loved it when it was down here. Propel is the company
texcl
Full Access Member
our (ND) cenex #2 diesel is bio-fortified as well.
idi_econoline
No Bed For Me!
Propel sold B20 in Nor Cali until a few months ago. They discontinued it, and are now selling supposedly 100% animal-based biodiesel, though they call it Diesel HPR.
Staying clear of that. I understand I can get B15 at Flying J, about 20 miles away.....
Am considering bringing B99 from the Bay Area and splash-blending myself.
Staying clear of that. I understand I can get B15 at Flying J, about 20 miles away.....
Am considering bringing B99 from the Bay Area and splash-blending myself.
Hydro-idi
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The flying J at I-5/Hwy 12 has b20 biodiesel. Been running it in my Idi ever since they started carrying it. As a matter of fact, just filled the 6.7 up with B20 today too 
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.Diesile
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Those colder states running B10 or up: Is this over the winter also? Any gelling problems?
Yes many gelling problems with colder temps.
In fact the state of MN, has a percentage of bio mandated all year round.
Heard many stories of trucks filling up on the SD/MN border,(I-90), so they didn't have to in fill up in MN.
I think the state did grant waivers for winter time, basically they were losing mega tax dollars.
If I had to guess why bio is finding it way into diesel fuel where is was not before is the national RFS, renewable fuel standard, IIRC,
