Another good reason to stay out of Calif.

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I have to wonder how much additional we add to the atmosphere when an engine is deleted? Would we have been better off to stop awhile back in tier levels and call it good?

Chipped trucks certainly do not leave a good impression with many around them.
 

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Visible smoke isn't always the thing that's being watched now. NOx is the big one. Egr helps reduce it, DEF brings it down to practically zero.
 

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I've heard that too.

If I had the extra money, time to move, and a way to make a living once I got there, I would in a heartbeat!

I 100% agree. I don't even want to see it. I used to want to go to Glamis (Imperial Sand Dunes), but I don't even want to cross that state line any more.
I'd say one day you should go. Definitely bucket list item. While the state is messed up Glamis is pretty awesome if you like the Sand, partying, offroad, Sand drags, SXS's, quads, Dirtbikes, fireworks, etc. Some weekends are very tamed with no crazies, but Halloween, New Years, and Thanksgiving are absolute S*** Shows.
 

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I saw a very interesting way for future combustion engines; Hydrogen fueled. Think about it. The only "pollutants" they would produce are CO2 and water. CO2 is a plant food and they turn it into O2 (Oxygen). No other bad gases or solids to destroy our planet and our health. VW is looking into this as we speak. The Internal Combustion engine is NOT dead!
 

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Cummins also has a hydrogen engine in the works, I look forward to working on it. Also curious how well the 6.7 octane is gonna do.
 

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The toyota hydrogen car is almost $200 to go 350 miles and takes I think an hour to fill up...
 

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Sand, partying, offroad, Sand drags, SXS's, quads, Dirtbikes, fireworks, etc.
I've never been a big partier. I gave up drinking over 9 1/2 years ago and I really don't want to be around those who do. I can't stand SxSs. Those people are usually a-holes. My own (step) brother now has one. As unmechanical as he is, He's going to be in for a rude awakening soon.
That said, I think I'll still stay away from Glamis.
 

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The toyota hydrogen car is almost $200 to go 350 miles and takes I think an hour to fill up...
Technology, good or bad, takes time to develop and it will get cheaper as it goes. Look at how much the price has dropped on EVs. They're still priced WAY too high for what you get, but they are a lot cheaper than they were 10 years ago.
 

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Technology, good or bad, takes time to develop and it will get cheaper as it goes. Look at how much the price has dropped on EVs. They're still priced WAY too high for what you get, but they are a lot cheaper than they were 10 years ago.

Early on in history, electric cars were very popular in cities because they were cleaner, less maintenance, quieter (less likely to scare horses), and electric was easier to access than gasoline. You could park at home and charge it overnight, no need to make a special trip for fuel. And no risk of breaking your fingers or arm trying to literally crank it. The battery tech just wasn't there once gas stations populated enough that it was a better value to buy something like a Model T and be able to go much further.
 

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I've never been a big partier. I gave up drinking over 9 1/2 years ago and I really don't want to be around those who do. I can't stand SxSs. Those people are usually a-holes. My own (step) brother now has one. As unmechanical as he is, He's going to be in for a rude awakening soon.
That said, I think I'll still stay away from Glamis.
I have lived in California all my life. There is a lot to hate here, but the natural beauty of this state is not one of those things. You absolutely should visit and absolutely stay out of the big cities. Hit the coast between LA and San Fran (where I live) go up the 1 along the coast. Cruz over to the Sierras and see the tallest mountain in the lower 48, yes it is here and not in the rockies. See the Giant Sequoias, you have never seen trees like them. Pictures do not do them justice. There are a lot of great hard working down to earth people here, we just get overshadowed and outvoted by all the crazies in the big cities.

Also CARB may have been good in the past, I remember those days in SoCal where you couldnt see across the road, and it has been cleaned up a lot. But now it is nothing but a corrupt politically driven money grab. If they cared about the environment they wouldn't care if you had to have OEM cats or not, just as long as they work and you pass smog. On my '93 Bronco I have to keep the old two separate cats instead of going to a newer single one. even though the newer ones work better. That is stupid.
 

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There is a lot to hate here, but the natural beauty of this state is not one of those things.

Utah is one of those states nobody thinks about much and probably avoids due to the Mormons but it's probably my favorite state for the landscape variety. It's almost like a landlocked version of California, it has a bit of everything.

But for work, I've heard that you can get locked out from getting employment if you're not a Mormon.
 

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I have lived in California all my life. There is a lot to hate here, but the natural beauty of this state is not one of those things. You absolutely should visit and absolutely stay out of the big cities. Hit the coast between LA and San Fran (where I live) go up the 1 along the coast. Cruz over to the Sierras and see the tallest mountain in the lower 48, yes it is here and not in the rockies. See the Giant Sequoias, you have never seen trees like them. Pictures do not do them justice. There are a lot of great hard working down to earth people here, we just get overshadowed and outvoted by all the crazies in the big cities.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I live in the Northern California foothills, gold country. It’s a totally different world here than what you see in Sacramento/Bay Area/SoCal. The demographics of the area are consistent, the crime is lower, the people are friendlier and more neighborly, the country is phenomenally beautiful, and in some ways I will go out on a limb and say they are harder workin and smarter than what you would find generally in rural areas of other states. You have to grind to make it in this state, between the taxes, gas/grocery prices and mind numbing regulation. It takes grit and drive. With that said, you have a special breed of people who are used to the state government actively making it harder and harder for them to exist and live, normally atleast, and yet they continue to do so. Id compare it to a guerrilla citizenry that isn’t actively pursuing warfare. Talk all the mess one will about California, when things actually do get ugly and they will, the hillbillies and rednecks will come out of the woods of the rural parts of California and speak for themselves.
 

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Utah is one of those states nobody thinks about much and probably avoids due to the Mormons but it's probably my favorite state for the landscape variety. It's almost like a landlocked version of California, it has a bit of everything.

But for work, I've heard that you can get locked out from getting employment if you're not a Mormon.
Tons of SoCal and Vegas people moving to Utah. My in-laws moved out there about 8 years ago and it’s being slowly overran just like every state in this country. The Morman thing is definitely prevalent but overblown in my opinion. Lots of great people living there.
 

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Early on in history, electric cars were very popular in cities because they were cleaner, less maintenance, quieter (less likely to scare horses), and electric was easier to access than gasoline. You could park at home and charge it overnight, no need to make a special trip for fuel. And no risk of breaking your fingers or arm trying to literally crank it. The battery tech just wasn't there once gas stations populated enough that it was a better value to buy something like a Model T and be able to go much further.
It's amazing to me how many electric car related patents came out in the late 1800's and early 1900's and how much technology the minds of these inventors created on paper, and just couldn't implement it due to lack of (electrical)energy storage. I don't have a link or anything but there are hundreds of cool patents, I remember seeing some in high school and being blown away...knowing the way history unfolded and having graduated in 2001, electric cars were not a thing yet(again). Very cool stuff!
 

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Tons of SoCal and Vegas people moving to Utah. My in-laws moved out there about 8 years ago and it’s being slowly overran just like every state in this country. The Morman thing is definitely prevalent but overblown in my opinion. Lots of great people living there.

Probably less of an issue around SLC or other cities, simply because of the melting pot nature of cities. Small towns are probably problematic. I lived in a tiny town in Arkansas for a few years and everyone always asked if i was related to some long established family in the area because I have the same last name. I still don't know if it was good or bad that I'm not related to them.
 

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