Powder coating vs POR-15

[Simmonscoating]

trying to compare por-15 to powder is like comparing apples and fruitcake. to completly diff coating to do a very diff outcome. both are a great process depending on time and money. lets start with por-15 its main fuction is to treat rust to turn that rust into a coating (NOT SCALE RUST) then apply any of there paint products over that bond. i will say it is a great product i use it all the time on dump trucks with salt spreders that destroy frames will diff stop the bleeding. buy your not going to get a show quality fram either. pos and con easy to do great coating not going to look great unless your metal is not pited to hell. for our trucks its my choice of coating.

trying to keep this simple for guy who dont understand the difference.

powder is a good or better (depending) on the type of powder and its purpose. like dave said powder need a very clean etched surface to bond to or it will fail so when considering powder on any part it will have to be striped down of anything that can not handle 400 deg like rubber bushing and so on then the part will need to be blasted than be iron phosphated. than you can apply the coating process. the pros of powder are first any color you can think of metallics have come a long way the crome looks dam good. they just developed a acrylic clear that is sick in gloss 90%. if you want show quality its easy to do with 10 time the chip reis than paint. cons it is exspensive most the money is in the prep. and the part you want done will have to be bare.
when you watch show like orange county choppers when they build 100,000 dollar bikes or you go to nhra drag races and look at there rides i promise you it is not por-15 on there frames. i think the industry has proven whats the best coating out there is with out question. looks ver duribilty. powder wins every time. por-15 is a great product but i will leave that suff on my rusty frame thats a far as it goes. i will save the powder for the rest. hope this helps. if you need to get real techincal i can but i dont feel like being a dork today.

po

 

[RedTruck]

Really my goal would be to make an easy steaming boiler that does not chip and I won't need to touch it again in my lifetime (as far as paint). I have thought that going with a ceramic paint would help to keep heat in, as long as it is only used on the outside of the boiler (this helps make an easier running boiler). The other thing that I would like to do is insulate the boiler. To make this period correct essentially tongue and groove wood similar to flooring is used against the boiler. This is then covered with sheet metal and bound with brass bands around the barrel of the boiler. Traditionally where this wood meets the boiler is a bad place for rust to form, and has been the demise of many antique boilers. I am thinking that if powder was used this would be a non-issue.

Thank you for your comments. Oh and do you ever feel like sounding dorky?

Paul

 

[oldblue05]

Yall are making this way to complicated, just use this stuff...

http://www.google.com/products/cata...a=X&ei=imQgTpuFC-TW0QGx4YChAw&ved=0CGgQ8wIwAw

Prep with a wire brush(you actually want to leave some rust) then get everything wet, done. You don't even have to paint over it although it makes a great great surface to paint off of. It's not pretty when finished but who that actually uses their truck gives a damn about their frame appearance?

 

[junk]

I had my truck frame powdercoated after being sand blasted. Cost me $500 to get it blasted and coated. I don't think they did an awesome job, but it is a truck frame. I've got a couple spots to touch up since I've scratched it a couple times when handling the bare frame and I have a rust spot on the top where water was sitting and you could see they where thin on the powder coat. For my axles I did a good cleaning with a degreaser, epoxy primed and painted. Seems to be holding up well. Next frame I do I think I would go good primer and paint. Kinda need to get my truck on the road and see what holds up. I haven't had good luck with por-15. Can't keep it good once opened and one item I applied it to it pealed right off. Also not a fan of wearing it off if you get any on ya.

 

[Fordman75]

trying to compare por-15 to powder is like comparing apples and fruitcake. to completly diff coating to do a very diff outcome. both are a great process depending on time and money. lets start with por-15 its main fuction is to treat rust to turn that rust into a coating (NOT SCALE RUST) then apply any of there paint products over that bond. i will say it is a great product i use it all the time on dump trucks with salt spreders that destroy frames will diff stop the bleeding. buy your not going to get a show quality fram either. pos and con easy to do great coating not going to look great unless your metal is not pited to hell. for our trucks its my choice of coating.

trying to keep this simple for guy who dont understand the difference.


when you watch show like orange county choppers when they build 100,000 dollar bikes or you go to nhra drag races and look at there rides i promise you it is not por-15 on there frames. i think the industry has proven whats the best coating out there is with out question. looks ver duribilty. powder wins every time. por-15 is a great product but i will leave that suff on my rusty frame thats a far as it goes. i will save the powder for the rest. hope this helps. if you need to get real techincal i can but i dont feel like being a dork today.

po

You can get a POR-15 coated frame to look as good if not better looking then a powder coated frame. And you don't have to worry about it chipping off. The POR-15 is a sealer. If you are applying it over heavily pitted metal you give it a couple coats of POR-15 then prime and fill it. Then sand it smooth prime again and then top coat. You can end up with a show quality frame that you won't have to worry about. But even if you don't do any body work once you apply the POR-15 you don't have to worry about it rusting anymore.


Yea orange county choppers there is a real world situation! How many of their show bike are driven thru a Minnesota winter???? And I seem to recall when they built their Napa drag bike they went with paint on the frame because if they powder coated the Chrome-Moly frame it wouldn't pass inspection.;p I seem to recall them throwing quite a few fits because of issues with powder coating.

I'm just giving you crap!

Powder coating can be nice for some things. But a truck frame that is going to get used isn't one of them. If you take a hammer to powder coating it will chip. POR-15, when you follow directions and properly apply it, won't chip or peel.

 

[ocnorb]

I've used POR-15 on a few projects and the results have varied from Ok to not so good. The stuff peeled off my Bronco frame after 3-4 years.

In an effort to find something better I ordered some Rustbullet and applied it to a few things, including my '57 frame. Its only been 2 years, but so far it is holding up better than the POR did. No peeling or even hints of blemishing yet. Only time will tell.

They have some really good tests in their technical section. I know that they are biased, but I like that they post these tests online where anyone can look at and challenge them. Supposedly they use this stuff on North Sea offshore oil rigs...

Link:
http://www.rustbullet.com/Products/Automotive/Automotive.asp

 

[Simmonscoating]

You can get a POR-15 coated frame to look as good if not better looking then a powder coated frame. And you don't have to worry about it chipping off. The POR-15 is a sealer. If you are applying it over heavily pitted metal you give it a couple coats of POR-15 then prime and fill it. Then sand it smooth prime again and then top coat. You can end up with a show quality frame that you won't have to worry about. But even if you don't do any body work once you apply the POR-15 you don't have to worry about it rusting anymore.


Yea orange county choppers there is a real world situation! How many of their show bike are driven thru a Minnesota winter???? And I seem to recall when they built their Napa drag bike they went with paint on the frame because if they powder coated the Chrome-Moly frame it wouldn't pass inspection.;p I seem to recall them throwing quite a few fits because of issues with powder coating.

I'm just giving you crap!

Powder coating can be nice for some things. But a truck frame that is going to get used isn't one of them. If you take a hammer to powder coating it will chip. POR-15, when you follow directions and properly apply it, won't chip or peel.

I am more confused then the jory at the casey anthony trial. All i can think of for the guys who had there powder chip or rust off must have went to harbor freight tool bought a powder coat gun and there powder sorry that wont cut it. Or the shop half assed the job where you had it done. 500 dollar for a truck frame to get coated. thats like paying 200 dollars for a paint job from maco you pay for what you get. i charge 500 for a atv frame i have done 100 frames that race hair scrambles in pa. I had one frame that chiped in 5 years. rest still look good trust me its all in the powder thats uesd and how its preped. If the stuff is coming off ill bet the shops are trying to save a penney and buying the cheper stuff to stay competitive.

 

[Michael Fowler]

^^^^^
Its all in the prep, whether POR 15, Powder coat, or some other coating. If you skimp on the prep work, the results will not endure.

 

[oldblue05]

fact, painting is just like welding; 90% prep 10% of what you are actually doing.