Not impressed with Howes fuel addative

chris142

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I was eating at a truck stop and saw an add for this stuff. Sposed to increase mpg ,power and clean injectors. Put in what it said. 1oz to 2.5 gallons of fuel.

Power is down and smoke is way up. Thing never smoked like this before.
 

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You probably don't want to buy any fuel additive that's advertised at a Restaurant
Just Saying. :eek::D
 
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Are you using Meaner Power cleaner or the standard Howes Lubricator? The Lubricator stuff is what I have used lots of. It does help with gelling. I have gone through a few injection pumps while this was my main lube additive so that could very well be a fluke but I am using Stanadyne lubricity formula now in hopes that the IP will last longer. I have never noticed more smoke or more or less power when using ANY additive, including a low blend bio diesel.

In the coldest temps of winter I will still use Howes for gelling preventing reasons. I trust it for that, I have been in real cold temps and have NEVER had a gell issue......knock on wood
 

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Lubricator.says its also an injector cleaner.I don't have any need for an anti gel here....ever
 

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You probably found out now that your IP and injectors are cleaned up some, if your black smoking, your IP is retarded. Might try advancing it a little.
 

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I have used it in my PSD, quiets the injectors down some. Dopn't think it does much good in an IDI.
 

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I used torun it all the time. Never had an issue. Did increase mpg a small amount when I was driving to Ohio for college
 

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How can any fuel additive increase power?

Really only one sure way, but one that isn't applicable in every case as Chris142 proved (depending on which additive he used). The sure way is a cetane improver but how much you gain is directly proportional to the particular fuel. Increasing the cetane beyond a certain point has absolutely no benefit. The closer the fuel is to what the engine "likes" the less you gain... and vice versa. Unfortunately, diesel fuel standards for cetane ratings are not Federalized beyond a minimum of CN 40 (Cetane Number, this test uses a test engine to measure ignition delay) and there are no Federal mandates to post the actual CN on the pump.

Don't confuse "Cetane Number" with "Cetane Index" CN 40 is about CI 35. You can google CI for more info but it's the "quick-n-dirty" method that doesn't require a test engine. CI is what you used to got with the old specific gravity tester but that test standard is way obsolete now because of the additives used in modern diesel fuel. Furthermore, this method does not account for cetane index improver additives, both aftermarket and those added by the fuel blender.

Various engines "like" various cetane ratings. It can even come down to a new engine versus a tired one, but the bottom line is that the engine designers tune to get the most from the available fuel in the market for which the engine is intended. That's about CN 40 here.

What do the IDI engines "like?" That's a good question to which I can only find general information on paper (and I have a LOT of paper now), such as meeting the D975 ASTM spec for 2D fuel. Back in the day, that was also a minimum of CN 40. I have been told by two engineers who were involved in the development of the 6.9L, Rowells and Hankins, that the optimal point is CN 45. Assuming they are correct, and I have no reason to doubt these guys, after CN 45, there is no, or very little, benefit to increasing the cetane number past that. That fit pretty well with some testing in the '90s on a GM 6.2L (which has the same combustion chamber design, compression ratio and the same type of injection system). There was about a 9 hp increase (8 percent) from 39 cetane to about 45 cetane, after which further gains were not measurable.

What is the current average CN for diesel fuel? Again, good question. Some states have standards in this regard. Because a higher CN results in less smoke and fewer emission, California has mandated CN 53. I have read on Wikipedia that Texas is CN 48 minimum for the same reasons. Other sources state the average across the US is CN 42-45... but again the minimum is CN 40 and that is the minimum for any fuel supplier outside of the areas with other requirements. It's reasonably safe to assume that's what you are getting.

There is also more to making power than the cetane number. The more highly refined ULSD has less specific heat (BTUs) in it than previous fuels. It isn't by a huge amount but it's there. The noticeable losses translates more into fuel economy than power but there is a slight loss in power, though it's probably not measurable in any easy-to-us way (like a chassis dyno or the butt dyno). Also, ULSD is lighter (lower viscosity) than the fuel our engines were designed for and that viscosity change slightly alters the way the injection system works. I've not seen any tests to show the exact differences but I'll bet Mel could tell us about how changes in the viscosity of the test fluid on the pump calibration machine alters pump performance. If I understand correctly, the effects are mostly in the area of timing advance. I'd have to dig around to find the viscosity changes between then and now but in theory, if you increased it, you could probably gain a little. My guess is that it would be more trouble than it's worth to do so.

Adding a cetane improver is an expensive proposition that adds a lot to cost of ownership without a lot of gain day to day. Figuring the worst fuel, the biggest gain you could expect is about 8 percent, all other conditions being optimal. If you have good fuel in your area, your gains could be nil so you are just blowing money at that point. Plus, consider how often are we operating at maximum power and how often do we need it? A practical method would be to use an additive in those times when you do need every lbs-ft. You're going to haul an 8K load over the Rockies... assume your fuel is only CN 40 and put in enough of a cetane improver to bring you to about CN 45. That 8 percent might keep you 5 mph faster at the crest of Eisenhower. Commuting empty to work with light throttle at 45 mph, what good does adding the improver do? None, really.

Assuming Chris142 used the Howes with a cetane improver, the reason he felt no difference is that CA is mandated to CN 53. He's already past optimal on the CN so further increasing it is useless.
 

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Howes has been my mainstay for 20 years. It IS good stuff, and I can tell you a lot of people use it. If you feel you are having an issue now, there are a few things to consider. First, if you HAVEN'T been using an additive of any kind, you may well be burning through a lot of junk that has accumulated in your fuel system. You may have dislodged something that has been stuck for a long time, and if you don't know where your pump is timed to, quite possibly the timing has changed and should be checked. These pumps contain a viscosity compensator to keep the internal fuel pressure where it needs to be, but if yours was clogged, and now it is working, you will have some timing changes for sure. There is also the possibility that it is just coincidence, and your fuel system is worn and has now reached a critical point.
 

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Mel, thanks for the answer about the viscosity compensation... something I forgot. Would you explain how it works?

My followup question is about the kind of "dirt" commonly found in a mechanical fuel injection system; where it's found, what type is it and how it effects performance? You have no doubt torn apart a LOT of pumps so you would know. Is it "sludge" or particulates or varnish or ??? How do these things effect performance? The particulate stuff is pretty easy to figure but the others, I'm not so sure about. Diesel fuel is a pretty good solvent so I wonder about sludgy stuff or varnish. IMO, we are often overly obsessed about "dirt" and applying cleanup products over and above what our fuel and lubricants already have in them and normally do all on their own. Assuming adequate maintenance and the use of good products, of course, of course.

Unrelated Question for Mel: Your base truck when purchased: I know it did not have a headliner, but did it have the vinyl trim pieces around the windows and door openings, etc?
 

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You probably found out now that your IP and injectors are cleaned up some, if your black smoking, your IP is retarded. Might try advancing it a little.
That is about what Mel indicated, cleaning the fuel system up.

I have used it in my PSD, quiets the injectors down some. Don't think it does much good in an IDI.
I used it as said above when I had 165K miles on the PSD, used it for about 10K miles when traveling with "Ondaroad", kept track of MPG, didn't seem to do much good, maybe a mile more per gallon if that.
 
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I can tell when I am running Howes, things tend to run a bit quieter
 

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I usually use power service and I think its better.it gets rid of the smoke.wonder if I added too much?
 

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ive run power service....howes....atf....2cyl oil.... all as additived with #2. i dont run WMO or WVO or BIO....

the best bang for the buck ive seen is plain 2 cyl oil. about half a qt added to a tank. the pump and injectors run quieter and the engine seems to run much smoother then on straight #2. i get the same with PS and Howes just at a lower cost. now PS and Howes have the cleaners in that #2 doesn't so if i know i'm going on a long trip, ill grab a bigger jug of howes from a truck stop and run that.
 

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