Mattbo
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I just added some ATF directly into the filter and cranked to to circulate. I’ll let it sit overnight and top off the tank with fresh diesel and more Kleen. Thanks again for the assistance I’ll check back with how it goes.
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Mattbo
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I hit a few hiccups last night, being a newbie to IDI’s i’ve been reading tinkering reading tinkering. I determine there was a chatter/rattling last night coming from the bell housing so that led me down the wormhole. I researched as much as I could pulled the dust cover off and inspected the best I could. I’m almost certain I have a DMF which means it’s original to the truck or been replace a long time ago it was an unmolested cattle farmers pasture truck in South FL he claimed to have replaced the clutch within the last two years so now I’m in that rabbit hole. Has anyone heard from a long time ago maybe 15 years that said fuel injection components can cause rattling back there? (As in they’ll produce noises outside of the engine due to changes in running conditions) I’m changing the coolant and giving it a good flush today then researching the clutch and flywheel. I understand the DMF’s are crazy expensive and I would probably be better off to go to an SMF and new clutch even with the noise increase.
Diesels will cause noise in the drivetrain. They hit so hard when they fire, that they shake and rattle the transmission on through to the rear, especially at idle when there is no load on the drivetrain.
That was the reason for the DMF. To dampen these vibrations when the diesel engine fired. But the DMF wears out. I am almost sure the farmer didn't replace the flywheel back then when he replaced the clutch. They were around $1000 just for the replacement DMF. All that being said, when you change to a SMF aftermarket flywheel, be ready for a little noise. Like I said there was a reason for the DMF, when you go to the SMF depending on how smooth your engine runs you will get some noise from the transmission. It's normal, do not worry about it, I have found if you raise the idle speed a little bit a lot of the noise will go away. I would not try any different types of oil in the transmission, it only makes it shift hard in cold weather.
That was the reason for the DMF. To dampen these vibrations when the diesel engine fired. But the DMF wears out. I am almost sure the farmer didn't replace the flywheel back then when he replaced the clutch. They were around $1000 just for the replacement DMF. All that being said, when you change to a SMF aftermarket flywheel, be ready for a little noise. Like I said there was a reason for the DMF, when you go to the SMF depending on how smooth your engine runs you will get some noise from the transmission. It's normal, do not worry about it, I have found if you raise the idle speed a little bit a lot of the noise will go away. I would not try any different types of oil in the transmission, it only makes it shift hard in cold weather.
Mattbo
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My thoughts exactly I doubt he changed it since he did injectors, but not the IP just Farm mentality “ain’t broke don’t need fixing” I’ve read up on the SMF and understand the difference in “noise” it is what it is, but getting a complete SMF kit for a fraction of just the DMF that’s a no brainer for me. I’m a full time Firefighter so half deaf anyways and my daily driver is a 7.3 Excursion so I’m used to the noise.
Mattbo
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With that being said does anyone have any advise on what SMF clutch kit to buy? All I’ve read up on it LUX
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Rdnck84_03
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The Luk kit is good. I have heard recently that the throwout and pilot bearings aren't very good anymore though. Most recommend buying the Luk kit and swapping the bearings for Timken.
James
James
Some people have been getting the kits from rockauto. I see they have one on there for $232.79. It's a 12" perfection clutch. Warning, a lot of these aftermarket clutches are oversize. So your bottom cover will not fit without rubbing. Most people just leave the cover off. I have been running mine for years with no cover.
Mattbo
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The dust/inspection cover?
IDIBRONCO
IDIBRONCO
I suppose that it could happen, but I think it would have to be running pretty badly in order to make noise in an unusual/louder than normal way.
I agree and I'm not 100% sure if you can even buy a new DMF anymore. Maybe you can and I just don't know about it. I have no desire whatsoever to go back to a DMF even if I could and it wasn't for an outrageous price. You can check yours. Remove the dust/inspection cover and look at your flywheel. If you can grab the part of the flywheel that the clutch bolts to and rotate it around (back and forth) any at all, it's bad.
When I worked on these for a living, 1995-2001, the shop would buy DMFs from a place called Bishop Machine (IIRC) that was somewhere in Texas. People would wonder how we sold them for so much cheaper than anywhere else could. The real answer is that I think they were rebuilt, not new, but I don't know that for sure. They were sold as new and I couldn't say otherwise.
LUK. Like Redneck said, I'll recommend them too. I've had no problems with mine and I've been running the same kit, bearings and all, since 2006. I've had it in two trucks and one Bronco.
I don't have one on mine either. Just don't let Jesus Freak see this. He'll claim that you'll suck up all of the neighborhood cats, fogs, and whatever other crazy thing that comes to mind by doing this.
Yes.
Mattbo
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The last comment had me cracking up. I haven’t had a dust cover on my Excursion for several years. Thanks for all the info I think I’m pretty set. The truck runs great just a little smoke while driving so I’ll double check the timing to make sure, but otherwise it’s fun to drive and I look forward to working on it.
jbm6900
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Injectors are not a big deal, I think I got mine from Advanced Diesel in orlando few yrs ago. They treat you right..
Mattbo
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The injectors seem fine and I did the ATF fuel filter tip and let it sit overnight cranked a lot smoother in the morning. I ended up ripping out the trans and redoing the flywheel as the DMF was shot so I’m still in the middle of that, but when it’s all put back together I’ll need to adjust the timing.
IDIBRONCO
IDIBRONCO
Believe it or not, you are getting there. It's astounding, to me, how many people don't want to spend much money to fix an old truck, but won't even blink an eye about spending MANY times that amount on a new one. 
jbm6900
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You ain't shittin. I'll take an older truck any,no Every day of the week. They can keep the plastic & computer everything that new is loaded with. The days when we built things to last are gone. Corporate & gov ruined everything...Believe it or not, you are getting there. It's astounding, to me, how many people don't want to spend much money to fix an old truck, but won't even blink an eye about spending MANY times that amount on a new one.
Old Goat
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You two guys got that right. Old is beautiful.
One problem is lots of time the Wife doesn`t understand why he wants that old truck, and just wants it gone. You spend all your time working on that old thing, and never spend enough time with me....and there are things I want to do.
I knew some one like that, she would never ride in his truck. treated it like it was nasty and dirty.
Some time`s keeping an old Wife, and her upkeep, can cost more than an old truck. Keeping the old Truck and dumping the old wife can be pricier though. Might be sleeping in the old truck.
Ya just can`t win sometimes.
My Wife says I can have all I want...Trucks that is....
Just bought #3 IDI, 87 4x4 ATS Turbo 121K miles, with a stupid C6. $2K.
Just installed a rebuilt Pensacola Diesel Pump and Injectors. Got it running, took it to his Buddy`s place all excited it was running. Then wouldn`t start again, came over and said "Iam done with it, gimme $2K for it and it`s yours.
2hrs later dragged it in with a chain pulled with a Dodge Diesel.
Now Iam a 4 x 4 Newbie, never owned one before.....always owned a Stick, how do you drive an auto trans?
Goat
One problem is lots of time the Wife doesn`t understand why he wants that old truck, and just wants it gone. You spend all your time working on that old thing, and never spend enough time with me....and there are things I want to do.
I knew some one like that, she would never ride in his truck. treated it like it was nasty and dirty.
Some time`s keeping an old Wife, and her upkeep, can cost more than an old truck. Keeping the old Truck and dumping the old wife can be pricier though. Might be sleeping in the old truck.
Ya just can`t win sometimes.
My Wife says I can have all I want...Trucks that is....
Just bought #3 IDI, 87 4x4 ATS Turbo 121K miles, with a stupid C6. $2K.
Just installed a rebuilt Pensacola Diesel Pump and Injectors. Got it running, took it to his Buddy`s place all excited it was running. Then wouldn`t start again, came over and said "Iam done with it, gimme $2K for it and it`s yours.
2hrs later dragged it in with a chain pulled with a Dodge Diesel.
Now Iam a 4 x 4 Newbie, never owned one before.....always owned a Stick, how do you drive an auto trans?
Goat
