BIG DYNO DAYS #'s

Actually, one post reads, "looks like there isn't much gain from the rest of the work." That to me seems like another way of saying, "there's no room for improvement." So I offered up that in fact there is something to gain. Where in my posts does it say anyone's opinion is invalid?

Also he really only has a lil over $1000 into the engine itself. Other than that it is a stock bottom end...

I was very surprised at my numbers. especialy with 2 psi fuel feed pressure. got a problem somewhere with that.

icanfixall said:

Is that so.... Read my build below.... I have around $5000.00 in the engine build. I'm not wanting for hp or torque. I get 18.9 mph doing 75 to 85 mph across the country with a Moose pump. With my double overdrive my final drive ratio is 1.96. Her is the pics...

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I love that pix! That's what I should be shooting for.

f-two-fiddy said:

I love that pix! That's what I should be shooting for.

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Need to run that thing at the Bonnivelle Salt Flats!

pennsylvan[RIGHT said:

[/RIGHT]iabo;628208]Both of these post's are decieving.....There is room for improvement....it's a $1400 inj pump.....plus super duty fuel system.....both of which increase the cost significantly.


As for his cost.....For the average joe to go buy what racin drummin has in his motor is a rough breakdown like this-

New manifolds and up pipes- $300+
DPS stage 1- $512
DPS turbo cal pump-$450
Head studs- $410
Cam w/ springs-$300
S362 turbo $1200+
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$3100+ To go out and buy it new, like most of us would have to do.





I think the point that people are making is with a beasty turbo, bigger inj, and performance pump, a near stock turbo'd truck came realy close. That is the sad part.

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And factor in the immense amount of time. Dont know about you guys but my time is far from free.

and all the stock pumps start de fueling at 3200 ish. gonna work on that.

pennsylvaniabo said:

Both of these post's are decieving.....There is room for improvement....it's a $1400 inj pump.....plus super duty fuel system.....both of which increase the cost significantly.


As for his cost.....For the average joe to go buy what racin drummin has in his motor is a rough breakdown like this-

New manifolds and up pipes- $300+
DPS stage 1- $512
DPS turbo cal pump-$450
Head studs- $410
Cam w/ springs-$300
S362 turbo $1200+
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$3100+ To go out and buy it new, like most of us would have to do.





I think the point that people are making is with a beasty turbo, bigger inj, and performance pump, a near stock turbo'd truck came realy close. That is the sad part.

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a near stock truck came really close because a stock pump puts out nearly the same amount of fuel as racinndrummin's. A 500 dollar injection pump isnt going to set the world on fire. All the money he spent isnt being put to use till he gets some more fuel to it. Give him some time to get it all ironed out.

typ4 said:

and all the stock pumps start de fueling at 3200 ish. gonna work on that.

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The DPS Turbo Cal pump defuels @ 3800. Ive only taken mine once up that high but I know she was still getting fuel above 3200. Below quote taken from the DPS website


Turbo Calibration - As the name implies, only good if the engine has either a factory or aftermarket turbocharger. We readjust the fueling and timing curve to take full advantage of a turbo, and normally raise the governed RPM to 3800. The max fuel delivery capability of the pump is also raised. Although we can do a turn-up on any rotary pump, the ideal pump to use is a "XX31" model, found in the '93 - '94.5 idi. We can bring an "XX29" pump up to the same fuel delivery, but the price will go up due to the extra machining involved. Maximum gains are seen when a matched set of injectors are used.

I would really like to see a before and after (same truck, with as little variables as possible) cam swap and then hot pump swap. Maybe I should sack up, there is a dyno 30 miles from me, and spend some money on my truck.

I am going to do some fuel only fixes/mods then do it again.

Apparently I must suck lately at written communication so I thought I'd take another stab at it, given some feel several of us are way off base for being "critical" of the results.

From what I saw of the dyno results I didn't see what I had expected would become from Racin's results. Out of fuel or not, I too had apparently bought into the hype of these builds and expected better. Remember that exact pump had supposedly put down 300rwhp on a prior truck with a stock turbo and less goodies. No need to rehash history and spilled milk, but that is the history for comparative's sake.

Racin & NMB2's builds are no doubt first class. The amount of time they've put into their builds is completely commendable. The ingenuity is awesome quite frankly.

Can they and will they pull more juice out of their rides? I'm sure they will... However it doesn't change MY observation, that the "power adders" they have on there now are providing a very poor ROI.
2nd observation: At the price point this stuff would cost the "common man" and the ROI in terms of power, I'd say it still proves the "old guys" who said from the word "GO" that it's not feasible to crank out the big(ger) power in an IDI are still right. Thats not to say they WONT be proved wrong later on... In todays #'s if one factors in the cost of even an NMB2 build, and adding in some additional $$ because he got some insane good prices on parts, etc.. the ROI is not there. At that $$ figure one could do a power conversion. YES that would not be original (heaven forbid.) It just seems to me, that at this point w/ the technology and available options, if a guy still wants a 350-400hp OBS Ford, even factoring in the newly found "ideas," money and time is still better spent with a re-power.

In a final attempt to not bruise any precious ego's, again, props for being creative, risk taking, and going against the grain. Very few achieve success doing otherwise.

Precious egos? All I said was, let's see what the thing yields in the end and judge at that point, and I got an excruciatingly dull and meat-headed lecture about dynamometers, though I should be flattered you took some of your expensive time to deliver it unsolicited. I only posted because I thought it relevant to people who were judging it to have the facts around his build, which I happened to hear when I met him Sat. Up to this point I've gone out of my way to show others respect on this forum and back out of things when they take a downward turn. I certainly do apologize if anyone was offended. But before I back out of this one, I'll say this: things seem to take a downward turn in these threads at the heels of yet another self-important post from you.

papastruck said:

Precious egos? All I said was, let's see what the thing yields in the end and judge at that point, and I got an excruciatingly dull and meat-headed lecture about dynamometers, though I should be flattered you took some of your expensive time to deliver it unsolicited. I only posted because I thought it relevant to people who were judging it to have the facts around his build, which I happened to hear when I met him Sat. Up to this point I've gone out of my way to show others respect on this forum and back out of things when they take a downward turn. I certainly do apologize if anyone was offended. But before I back out of this one, I'll say this: things seem to take a downward turn in these threads at the heels of yet another self-important post from you.

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wanted to meet you, sorry we got ther so late.
The shop owner called me yesterday and is all jacked up about another day and asking me about pump mods and thingds, he thinks we can make more reliablepower because the stock pumps all defuel at 3200 ish.

typ4 said:

wanted to meet you, sorry we got ther so late.
The shop owner called me yesterday and is all jacked up about another day and asking me about pump mods and thingds, he thinks we can make more reliablepower because the stock pumps all defuel at 3200 ish.

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Yeah, I was really sorry to have missed you guys. It will happen - what a fun day. I look forward to meeting you. OK, NOW I'm out, I promise.