Quick Alternator Question 1988 7.3

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It's easy to find now that you know to tell the clerk to look up a 100A alternator for a 1985 E350. O'Reilly shows it easy to get, and so does Napa.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/RSE2133021A



All alternators say "Motorcraft" on them because Ford made all the casings. Even rebuild under other in-house brands will say Motorcraft on the casting of the housing.

Yeah, take what you can get for free even if it's not as much as you wanted.

Voltage regulators are easy to get still. If your regulator says Motorcraft cast into the housing, it's probably original. They don't seem to hardly go bad though, or maybe I have just been lucky.
70 amp is on and it was FREE!
The worker at Pep Boys was somewhat giving me a hard time because it was 20 years old and "limited lifetime"... I told her "lifetime warranty is a lifetime warranty, the limited part is if I brought it in with a cracked or busted-up case etc." So she did the swap. My original receipt was very faded, but I had it and you could make out what it stated... so gimme my free part!
The regulator doesn't have "Motorcraft" on the exterior but now you mention it I believe I did swap it out many years ago.
Advance Auto has one in stock that I may install, only $30.00
Thanks for all your help!
 

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Here is what the old Motorcraft voltage regulators look like.

I bought and installed a new one in my F250 because O'reilly's in-vehicle tester said the regulator was bad. The alternator was, not the regulator. I left the new one on anyway and kept the old as a spare.

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Here is what the old Motorcraft voltage regulators look like.

I bought and installed a new one in my F250 because O'reilly's in-vehicle tester said the regulator was bad. The alternator was, not the regulator. I left the new one on anyway and kept the old as a spare.

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For sure I changed out my regulator at some point. The aftermarket unit is looking very rough and ugly but it still works. I purchased this and need to pick up tomorrow and install it, only $30.00. https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...r400/18430057-P?searchTerm=voltage regulators
 

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For sure I changed out my regulator at some point. The aftermarket unit is looking very rough and ugly but it still works. I purchased this and need to pick up tomorrow and install it, only $30.00. https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/bwd-voltage-regulator-r400/18430057-P?searchTerm=voltage regulators

Yep, same one I put on my F250 in 2017. "The BWD SELECT® voltage regulator PC board is encapsulated in epoxy. " Hence why mine says "Select" on it. O'Reilly isn't selling it anymore, so it seems.
 

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My advice do a 10si / 12si GM 1 wire self exciting alternator swap I prefer the 12si myself rebuilds you can do yourself for like $30 and these things are tanks and simple and allows you to cleanup the wiring on the passenger side of motor and remove the external voltage regulator.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164686693306?mkevt=1&mkcid=28&chn=ps all you need is a simple chevy or ford lugnut from a 1/2 ton to put behind the lower mount ear of alternator towards back of motor to slide the lower mount bolt thru and swap your pulley from your old alternator to it and your good to go 1 wire from alternator positive to your battery and done and rebuild kits for these are like $20-$30 and take 1hr or less to do yourself on side of road with minimal tools. I have used these for years on nearly everything and I have tortured these things to death with almost 0 issues.
 

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Since it's only a 94 amp alternator, does it seem to keep everything charged up as well we a 3G? Even if I decide not to go this way on a diesel, it may be just the thing for my Red Truck.
 

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Since it's only a 94 amp alternator, does it seem to keep everything charged up as well we a 3G? Even if I decide not to go this way on a diesel, it may be just the thing for my Red Truck.

They sell high amp one but if go above the 90amp area make sure is a 12SI they have better cooling https://www.ebay.com/itm/Alternator-140Amp-High-Output-High-Amp-Fits-Delco-12SI-1-Wire-7273-12-1100246/174571654994?_trkparms=aid=1110006&algo=HOMESPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=20200818143230&meid=5353219f33574f1690d1011f2b1a2e78&pid=101224&rk=1&rkt=5&mehot=pf&sd=164686693306&itm=174571654994&pmt=1&noa=1&pg=2047675&algv=DefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1



pretty sure this is the pulley I bought for mine to spin it up to get it to crank out good amps at idle https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Groove-S...811231?hash=item3d95d5a35f:g:SLEAAOSwlPFdxZtx
 
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Thanks. I'll definitely keep those in mind.
look at the rebuild kits and then watch a video about theyre simplicity like this how to upgrade them

part 1

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part 2

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how to convert to 1 wire

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oh and you can easily convert any of these 10si / 12si to a 1wire alternator

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so you know how the self exiting alternator works and triggers

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I have a 88 7.3, went to Napa and the one for the external regulator was showing 65 AMP. (Maybe Ford rounded up and said 70amp.) The high output ambulance one had different wiring on the back so I did not upgrade. It had to be ordered but they had it there the next AM. Also be sure to check your fusible link to make sure it works. (Charge wire between alternator and battery, but hooks via the batt terminal on starter relay as I recall.) Mine died prior from vibration and rubbing and my truck stopped charging. (Alternator died a year later.)

Also I recommend you spend another $35 and replace your external regulator. (10 minute fix. Take a minute and clean the terminals.) Many links and message boards suggesting not replacing both is a bad idea. Evidently many found the older part caused the new part to die a quick death. Also you will have the peace of mind your overall charging system is now updgraded. When I replaced mine I ended up with a new issues. One of the wires from the regulator connector goes up to a second single connector, then to ground on the fender well. Oddly from moving the regulator the connector between the regulator and fender well moved and now was not allowing a connection. (It was corroded and now that it moved a little it would not make a good connection. I thought my regulator was perhaps bad. It was this random connector mid wire (Not clear why they put it there.) that was no longer making a good connection. So for good measure you might want to clean up your battery terminals, clean up your grounds, and check the fusible link and ALT wires for continuity.

Lastley most towns have a place or two to rebuild Alternators and Starters. If you cannot get something delivered quick see if someone can rebuild it today or tomorrow. Most common issues with those are the brushes as I recall. The new 2000 up ford alternators eat up the stator (? Brass/Copper part the brushes ride on.) shaft and that is a whole different issue to fix.
 

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I have a 88 7.3, went to Napa and the one for the external regulator was showing 65 AMP. (Maybe Ford rounded up and said 70amp.) The high output ambulance one had different wiring on the back so I did not upgrade. It had to be ordered but they had it there the next AM. Also be sure to check your fusible link to make sure it works. (Charge wire between alternator and battery, but hooks via the batt terminal on starter relay as I recall.) Mine died prior from vibration and rubbing and my truck stopped charging. (Alternator died a year later.)

Also I recommend you spend another $35 and replace your external regulator. (10 minute fix. Take a minute and clean the terminals.) Many links and message boards suggesting not replacing both is a bad idea. Evidently many found the older part caused the new part to die a quick death. Also you will have the peace of mind your overall charging system is now updgraded. When I replaced mine I ended up with a new issues. One of the wires from the regulator connector goes up to a second single connector, then to ground on the fender well. Oddly from moving the regulator the connector between the regulator and fender well moved and now was not allowing a connection. (It was corroded and now that it moved a little it would not make a good connection. I thought my regulator was perhaps bad. It was this random connector mid wire (Not clear why they put it there.) that was no longer making a good connection. So for good measure you might want to clean up your battery terminals, clean up your grounds, and check the fusible link and ALT wires for continuity.

Lastley most towns have a place or two to rebuild Alternators and Starters. If you cannot get something delivered quick see if someone can rebuild it today or tomorrow. Most common issues with those are the brushes as I recall. The new 2000 up ford alternators eat up the stator (? Brass/Copper part the brushes ride on.) shaft and that is a whole different issue to fix.

all this headache is why I suggest moving to a 1 wire GM self exciting delco alternator for $70 or less total ( can get these from salvage yards for $10 or so usually in working order these alternators are tanks and rarely ever fail ) ( can reuse the factory pulley from ford alternator ) and eliminate all the headaches of the external regulator and that rats nest of 30yr old wiring that usually has been hacked up by either previous owner or mice or whatever LOL I live by the KISS theory ( keep it simple stupid ). The GM 1 wire alternator mod is very simple and cheap / reliable and well easily rebuilt by you if needed on side of road for like $25 in less than 1hr with minimal tools and back on the road again happy days LOL.

Oh and nearly every single auto parts store has the single wire GM alternator in stock 99.9% of time and for cheap the good old 10si / 12si alternator is a legend among construction industry / mining industry / hot rodders / racers / alternative energy industry and farmers for a reason theyre reliable and can be adapted to almost any vehicle/motor with ease and did I mention cheap and many use these in wind mill /hydro power and such they turn these into PMA alternators and use them for alternative power sources and much more.

The big problem for our motors is they don't make quality electronic components for them anymore according to most part manufacturers our engines are end of life and obsolete so the only factories making the electronics anymore are crappy quality and often 2nds and 3rds on the quality scale. This is why most electronics for almost any vehicle from autozone / advance auto parts are crap they buy 2nds and 3rds to get cheaper parts so it costs them less to stock them and they sell them for a premium.

basically tiering refers to quality control lvl as you go up in number the quality drops meaning theyre closer to failing or closer to being out of specifications Napa is mainly a tier 1 parts seller Oreily's auto parts is mainly a tier 1&2 and autozone / advance auto parts are mainly a tier 2&3 parts seller this means the cheaper price your paying is often for a much inferior part closer to failure second you buy it and often are bad when you buy them.


Trust me I had to argue with a customer over a starter took 6 starter swaps to get 1 good 1 ( it failed 1 month later ) I told him to have autozone test them before he brought them to me to install and he did not. I charged him labor for each and every time I had to install / remove the starter ( cadillac north star under the intake alot of labor ) needless to say he wasn't happy with me but he got what he asked for and paid for parts wise.


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to give you a idea how much of a pain it was I did this 6 times because of the customer argued with me and demanded I just put it in saying it was good. I even explained had to tear top of motor apart to change it and he didn't listen I said its a 2-3 hr process each time and he just couldn't understand it needless to say I never wanted to see him ever again I was furious and so was he.
 
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Yep, same one I put on my F250 in 2017. "The BWD SELECT® voltage regulator PC board is encapsulated in epoxy. " Hence why mine says "Select" on it. O'Reilly isn't selling it anymore, so it seems.
Today I installed the NEW The BWD SELECT Regulator from Advance Auto... and it was BAD!
I put the 20 year old regulator back in and took the new one back!
Last thing I need is for a new-bad, regulator to fry my new alternate.
 

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I have a 88 7.3, went to Napa and the one for the external regulator was showing 65 AMP. (Maybe Ford rounded up and said 70amp.) The high output ambulance one had different wiring on the back so I did not upgrade. It had to be ordered but they had it there the next AM. Also be sure to check your fusible link to make sure it works. (Charge wire between alternator and battery, but hooks via the batt terminal on starter relay as I recall.) Mine died prior from vibration and rubbing and my truck stopped charging. (Alternator died a year later.)

Also I recommend you spend another $35 and replace your external regulator. (10 minute fix. Take a minute and clean the terminals.) Many links and message boards suggesting not replacing both is a bad idea. Evidently many found the older part caused the new part to die a quick death. Also you will have the peace of mind your overall charging system is now updgraded. When I replaced mine I ended up with a new issues. One of the wires from the regulator connector goes up to a second single connector, then to ground on the fender well. Oddly from moving the regulator the connector between the regulator and fender well moved and now was not allowing a connection. (It was corroded and now that it moved a little it would not make a good connection. I thought my regulator was perhaps bad. It was this random connector mid wire (Not clear why they put it there.) that was no longer making a good connection. So for good measure you might want to clean up your battery terminals, clean up your grounds, and check the fusible link and ALT wires for continuity.
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Today I installed a new epoxy filled regulator and the battery light came on = no charging!
I put the 20 year old regulator back on and it was charging again.
You know where the regulator mounts...well...that entire plate was moving around, loose. But the old regulator still worked when I reinstalled it.
 

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Today I installed the NEW The BWD SELECT Regulator from Advance Auto... and it was BAD!
I put the 20 year old regulator back in and took the new one back!
Last thing I need is for a new-bad, regulator to fry my new alternate.


Today I installed a new epoxy filled regulator and the battery light came on = no charging!
I put the 20 year old regulator back on and it was charging again.
You know where the regulator mounts...well...that entire plate was moving around, loose. But the old regulator still worked when I reinstalled it.



all this headache is why I suggest moving to a 1 wire GM self exciting delco alternator for $70 or less total ( can get these from salvage yards for $10 or so usually in working order these alternators are tanks and rarely ever fail ) ( can reuse the factory pulley from ford alternator ) and eliminate all the headaches of the external regulator and that rats nest of 30yr old wiring that usually has been hacked up by either previous owner or mice or whatever LOL I live by the KISS theory ( keep it simple stupid ). The GM 1 wire alternator mod is very simple and cheap / reliable and well easily rebuilt by you if needed on side of road for like $25 in less than 1hr with minimal tools and back on the road again happy days LOL.

Oh and nearly every single auto parts store has the single wire GM alternator in stock 99.9% of time and for cheap the good old 10si / 12si alternator is a legend among construction industry / mining industry / hot rodders / racers / alternative energy industry and farmers for a reason theyre reliable and can be adapted to almost any vehicle/motor with ease and did I mention cheap and many use these in wind mill /hydro power and such they turn these into PMA alternators and use them for alternative power sources and much more.

The big problem for our motors is they dont make quality electronic components for them anymore according to most part manufacturers our engines are end of life and obsolete so the only factories making the electronics anymore are crappy quality and often 2nds and 3rds on the quality scale.This is why most electronics for almost any vehicle from autozone / advance auto parts are crap they buy 2nds and 3rds to get cheaper parts so it costs them less to stock them and they sell them for a premium.

basically tiering refers to quality control lvl as you go up in number the quality drops meaning theyre closer to failing or closer to being out of specifications Napa is mainly a tier 1 parts seller Oreily's auto parts is mainly a tier 1&2 and autozone / advance auto parts are mainly a tier 2&3 parts seller this means the cheaper price your paying is often for a much inferior part closer to failure second you buy it and often are bad when you buy them.

Trust me I had to argue with a customer over a starter took 6 starter swaps to get 1 good 1 ( it failed 1 month later ) I told him to have autozone test them before he brought them to me to install and he did not. I charged him labor for each and every time I had to install / remove the starter ( cadillac north star under the intake alot of labor ) needless to say he wasn't happy with me but he got what he asked for and paid for parts wise.



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to give you a idea how much of a pain it was I did this 6 times because of the customer argued with me and demanded I just put it in saying it was good. I even explained had to tear top of motor apart to change it and he didn't listen I said its a 2-3 hr process each time and he just couldn't understand it needless to say I never wanted to see him ever again I was furious and so was he.
 
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Today I installed the NEW The BWD SELECT Regulator from Advance Auto... and it was BAD!
I put the 20 year old regulator back in and took the new one back!
Last thing I need is for a new-bad, regulator to fry my new alternate.

Dunno what to say since mine has been fine since 2017.
 

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