7.3 IDI idle, top end power question

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Ok, the truck is a 1992 f250 5 speed 176,000 miles 5 speed 4 wheel drive. custom crossover pipe 4 inch exhaust home brew intake and k&n drop in. Heres the issue,,,about 2.5 months ago it started smoking upon slight decel and massive decline in fuel economy but with the sweet info on this forum it lead me to IP/Injectors. I bought an IP from Oregon Fuel Injection and brand new delphi injectors from them as well as the return line kit and had them time it after i did the install Smoking problem solved but i have had a miss and occasional super rough idle up to about 1100 rpm ever since. The miss is all the time but the rough idle is only every once in a while and only when its warm.

So far i have added clear fuel line off the filter head and the top of the IP (no bubbles and lines stay full), cracked all the injector lines at idle and high idle and every one of them were the same result ran worse. I put a multi meter on all the GP and each one was right around 35. I tried playing with the timing either way and nothing. A friend of mine thats a retired international mechanic said he though it was the IP so i pulled it and sent it back to OFI for a retest, while I was waiting I pulled all the injectors and they all looked good and dry as well as the washers showed no sign of leaks and the new o-rings were in top shape. The pump came back with a clean bill of health and a $94 bill to pay. I put everything back together and holy smokes it idled smooth and had power at the top end i have never felt outta this old thing. It was short lived though went on about a 20 minute drive came home and shut it off ran to the store 10 minutes later and miss and rough idle was back. It always starts great hot or cold no excessive smoke at startup or any at all going down the road unless i lug it.

Sorry about the book but i wanted to give all the details i could think of.
 

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Get the injectors tested, it sounds like bad injectors if there is always a miss.
 

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Sounds like the injectors were not matched/pop tested. One may not be performing as it should. Kind of weird that it ran fine for 20 minutes though.
 

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Does $20 per injector sound like a fair price..any that are bad they won't charge for.
 

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Thats what threw me is the 20 minutes, made me think air but i'm getting no bubbles and it doesn't bleed off and starts great after sitting....
 

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Sounds like its possible the advance mechanism is not working right. Unfortunately it seems to be one of the areas that can be shortcut when rebuilding a pump. I am far from an expert here though.
 

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Sounds like its possible the advance mechanism is not working right. Unfortunately it seems to be one of the areas that can be shortcut when rebuilding a pump. I am far from an expert here though.

I know the cold advance seems to be working as it should and when i took it back to OFI the put it on the tester and said it was good.
 

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When you posted that the injecters were new are you sure they are new and not just new rebuilts. A new rebuilt is a rebuilt injecter... Not any way is it new. All new parts is a new injecter. Not just clean and reassemble..
 

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$20 for a new Delphi injector doesn't sound right anyway.

*Did they say if the pump had anything wrong with it??? If so, probably same problem again. I'd call them or something.
 

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They were brand new, the rebuilts were 40 and some change each and the brand new were 35 and some change...kind of wierd but i figured NIB and cheaper is a win win.
 

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$20 for a new Delphi injector doesn't sound right anyway.

*Did they say if the pump had anything wrong with it??? If so, probably same problem again. I'd call them or something.

Sorry $20 to pop test per injector and they said the IP was fine, tested perfect.
 

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the write up said " Removed top cover fuel and inside parts looked good put on test bench, at first idle screw was backed out about a half turn Pump hits all calibration spec and all cylinders have equal delivery. Cranking fuel hot is 34cc @ 85rpm (spec is 34cc @ 75rpm) and 30cc @ 75rpm This pump is fine NFF"
 

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Well I took the injectors to Brattain International and they pop tested them no charge, found 2 that would build no pressure and 1 that popped then would build no pressure. All the others popped between 1850 and 1950. Took the 3 to OFI and they said they found debris in one and it had a low pop and the other 2 just had a low pop psi so they cleaned and reset them to 1850 to 1900 I put them all back in with new copper washers and so far so good, actually feels like it has a little more pull to it. What is wierd is two would build no psi at all from the beginning so i guess they had low pop psi. Anyways I will update if anything changes but for now all seems good. Thank you to everyone for the tips and advice it helped give me a good direction to go.
 

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this is one of the big reasons (besides wanting to test the G code specifically for myself) that i went with OEM Italy stanadyne when i bought new.
we keep hearing about the mexican made Delphi's just being bad right out of the box on multiple occasions now.
 

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Just an update within a day of saying the truck ran great it started the same ole rough idle....been just tolerating it but I think I'm going to see what the International dealer will charge me to diagnose it. I am sick of hanging out under the hood and am out of ideas at this point.
 

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