E4OD to C6 with Gear Vendors

[FORDF250HDXLT]

Actually it was/is. I'm not armchair talking here, I've owned both so speaking with experience. The E4 was an abject failure and never should have been released in anything let alone a heavy duty truck. Mat's own experiences are evidence of this as well, if an E4 should last anyone it should be him, he's devoted so much of his life to learning about it and coddling it. But even with all the **** polishing they've failed him like they fail everyone.

Really? There are none left on the road today? That's news to many.

my name isn't Matt.
(however i take no offense)

your talking about a 20 year old trans pre-updated with a 190k miles on it with a complete unknown to me history that im simply trying to limp along for a while since it "should" have been just a few hundred bucks to keep going.it was a solid plan since the trans still operates flawlessly.
just like someones failure trying to keep a c6 going with a new converter in hope it lasts a while.if that fails it wouldn't mean the c6 as a trans is junk.is just means that one has payed it's dues.

a many c6 have failed before 20 years and 200k miles too.they weren't "that" good.they all ware out.

iv got a updated E40D in chip truck which runs reliably solid that id drive anywhere and work daily without concern.

 

[Black dawg]

Actually it was/is. I'm not armchair talking here, I've owned both so speaking with experience. The E4 was an abject failure and never should have been released in anything let alone a heavy duty truck. Mat's own experiences are evidence of this as well, if an E4 should last anyone it should be him, he's devoted so much of his life to learning about it and coddling it. But even with all the **** polishing they've failed him like they fail everyone.

Really? There are none left on the road today? That's news to many.

these trucks are a piece of history by most peoples standards.

 

[direwulf23]

If my main goal had been fuel efficiency I would've gotten a newer truck. The IDI can't compete with newer vehicles in efficiency. My purpose of getting an IDI was to get a good work truck that was diesel and I could keep working on myself. I don't need a whole lot of speed or fuel economy. I drive highways not interstates or freeways.
I realize the E4OD can be made bulletproof but at what cost? $4000? I don't have that kind of money.

1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

 

[trackspeeder]

Actually it was/is. I'm not armchair talking here, I've owned both so speaking with experience. The E4 was an abject failure and never should have been released in anything let alone a heavy duty truck. Mat's own experiences are evidence of this as well, if an E4 should last anyone it should be him, he's devoted so much of his life to learning about it and coddling it. But even with all the **** polishing they've failed him like they fail everyone.

Really? There are none left on the road today? That's news to many.

Because you owned one or two still doesn't make it a failure. It might have failed for you, but not for Ford. Because you read a thread on internet saying how my E4 died, remember it has been abused and worn out. Any tranny will have issues with high miles and abuse.

Here think of the C6 like Windows XP. No updates. Its history but there are plenty still out there working.

Take it from somebody who spends time playing with stuff.

 

[trackspeeder]

If my main goal had been fuel efficiency I would've gotten a newer truck. The IDI can't compete with newer vehicles in efficiency. My purpose of getting an IDI was to get a good work truck that was diesel and I could keep working on myself. I don't need a whole lot of speed or fuel economy. I drive highways not interstates or freeways.
I realize the E4OD can be made bulletproof but at what cost? $4000? I don't have that kind of money.

1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

Bullet proof would cost the consumer around $4K You don't need that kind of rebuild for an IDI. Take about $1K off for a really good warrantied rebuild that the IDI will not break.

 

[direwulf23]

The problem is I want a ZF5, but there just isn't a lot of these trucks around here. If they are they're being used or sold in drivable condition, but I don't need another truck just part of another truck. By far my area is big block gassers or Chevy. There is 2000+ year model diesels around but not much before that.
I thought I'd found my huckleberry when I found a 90/91 F350 CC sitting in an old dudes backyard. It had no bed, unusable tires, rough interior, primered paint job, and had been sitting unused for 10 years. Before he parked it he had the transmission rebuilt and clutch replaced. 7.3 IDI NA engine.
He wanted at least $3000 for it. Either the guy was batshit crazy or had no intention of selling it, but all it's doing is wasting away. Sad.


1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

 

[direwulf23]

Further, I simply can not afford a $3000+ rebuild up front nor to have my truck shutdown for a month (or more) waiting for the tranny shop to get around to it.
My E4OD is not currently dead, so I could get this C6 and have it rebuilt at convenience and waiting to be dropped in.
I have to admit I am mildly surprised to see so much defense for the E4OD lol.
Really I started this thread for technical information but I always welcome any information I can get.

1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

 

[GOOSE]

I am not a fan of auto's in general but have blown up both C-6's and E4's. For a $2,500 rebuild, the E4 is an excellent transmission. The aftermarket has it nailed. I thought the C6 had no rights to being behind a diesel but after riding with Darrin in his Cummins powered F350 crew cab 4x4, I was VERY impressed with the C6/GV combo with 3:55 gears.

You have it in your heart to use this C6/GV combo when the E4 pukes, there ain't no harm in that. It sounds like you aren't doing any interstate travel so it just may fit your bill. I would still have my reservations as to whether you can get the rpm's down to an acceptable level. A low stall converter will be a must.

To the E4 naysayers, they CAN be built. This 1200hp Fummins is backed by an E4OD and this was with what was available in 2003 so don't tell me how wimpy the E4 is, all of the issues have been addressed and corrected by the aftermarket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HH0Wkbr5Us

 

[direwulf23]

Thanks. That led to some interesting reading. I'm not endorsing the company or parts but these are good reads. I learned a lot
http://www.bankspower.com/techarticles/show/9-Understanding-Torque-Converters

http://www.bankspower.com/techarticles/show/10-understanding-stall-speed

1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

 

[Greg5OH]

e40d with a standalone controller and a good converter. Would be good IMo.
oh and a BIG cooler.

 

[direwulf23]

Now I'm trying to figure out the cost/benefit of investing in the E4OD that I already have vs having an interim transmission on my way to a ZF5 vs waiting on a ZF5 (if my E4OD will make it).
I think the tipping point is do I need to invest significant money into the E4OD if I'm gong a different direction. There's the disadvantage of building this transmission my truck will be shutdown and I'd have to pay/wait on someone else to work on it. The advantage of building another transmission is the down time would be the time it takes to do the swap.
As always, pros and cons

1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

 

[direwulf23]

The C6 + GV is unlikely to be the final answer, admittedly

1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

 

[ToughOldFord]

The C6 + GV is unlikely to be the final answer, admittedly

You convince that easily? Hey DW, I have a bridge to sell ya.

 

[direwulf23]

Lol, I say the C6+GV is not the answer because I will still want a manual ZF5. I am currently disheartened by my extremely unfruitful search for a ZF5. I don't want an automatic at all.

1994 Ford F250 Superduty, 2wd, 7.3L IDI, NA, E4OD

 

[FORDF250HDXLT]

yeah your not going to be happy with an old 3 speed.if you want the ZF5.that's what you go with.
for chip truck,it had to be an auto.i was sick of the shifting.for log truck,since it's not the go to/daily driver,i would have still bought this one if it had a ZF5 i wouldn't have liked it but i would have driven it.it's nice if you can afford and find what you want.
did you check out car-part.com? often some of those yards will ship freight and don't forget uship.i just checked out freight for an auto crane.it would have been 2 grand in just shipping! i thought the ebay auto crane from out west was out of my reach due to that shipping quote.
the seller told me try uship and i got a bid for $500! i jumped on it and bought the crane! she's being shipped right now.a trans/rear axle isn't as large and they ship cheaper.much cheaper.i used freight shipping for my DRW pickup rear.it was reasonable.so check into it if nothing local comes up.there's a lot more parts around the world then just whats in state.
car-part.com brother.