Decarbonizing 7.3

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OK, so here's the story... had my truck (87 f150 with N/A 7.3 and zf5) in a local shop to get brakes changed out and a few minor things including checking the timing... now I've heard of decarbonizing before, seen it done on older diesels, this mech at the shop recommended to me that with the miles I have on the truck it could benifit to have this done... now that being said, is it possible to do this on these engines or is it not something that can/should be done. The reason I ask is I'm trying to get better milage, get it to run just a tad smoother (not that its running really rough) and trying to get the most life out of it before I need to rebuild it
 

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Its a prosses where the carbon buildup on the valves and pistons is removed while the engine is still running and in the veh
 

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seafoaming it? Youcould do it yourself for about 10$
 

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You can add seafoam to your engine oil and fuel system to remove carbon deposits. Do NOT add seafoam into the intake system. This will cause your diesel engine to runaway. Very dangerous.
I do not recommend Zmax because there has been customer issues with that product.
I highly recommend a product called auto-rx. I bought enough for two treatments. It has cut my engine oil consumption to almost none. Look at the website to get more information.
http://auto-rx.com/
 

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I stay away from "miracles in a bottle" type cures. If you have a problem, fix it. Don't try to fix a problem that does not exist. I worked in a dyno shop for a while long ago (back when dynos were rare) and zmax rented in the dyno for a day. Basically, they wanted before and after tests showing power improvements using their products. There were none. They then did some tweaks to the car to make it gain more power, but we refused to give the data as it was not legit. They got pissed and left; just goes to show you that you can't trust everything you read.

Any problem can be quantified. Low compression is measurable. Same with leaks. Unless there is proof there is a problem, you are just throwing away money at best.
 

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I'll give auto-rx a try and see if that helps... its not using much oil... no more than my freightliner does, its not smoking bad... it just seems to have its moods where it rumbles just a little more than usual. I've never decarbonized an engine but have seen it done with a light water fog, or alcohol spray. Just wanted a little input before I had this done. The mech at the shop was trying to charge me an extra 150 to have it done. I have heard bad things about sea foam and diesels, as well as Lucas treatments
 

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Auto RX will clean up the engine insides. Seafoam in the fuel tank will clean up the air flow out of the engine only. It will not reach the intake valves ever. No fuel reaches the intake valves in our idi engines. Our fuel is injected into the precup after the intake valve. Ask some questions about injecting water mist into the intake path but... Even that wont clean under the intake valve head and thats an area that should be cleaned.
 

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Auto RX and that should be good to go!

I'm waiting at least one more oil change till I do my Auto RX, I've consumed nearly a litre of oil in just around the last 8000 miles, so my consumption is fine.
 

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You can add seafoam to your engine oil and fuel system to remove carbon deposits. Do NOT add seafoam into the intake system. This will cause your diesel engine to runaway. Very dangerous.
I do not recommend Zmax because there has been customer issues with that product.
I highly recommend a product called auto-rx. I bought enough for two treatments. It has cut my engine oil consumption to almost none. Look at the website to get more information.
http://auto-rx.com/


Not trying to pick a fight, but what types of problems did people encounter with Zmax. I have used it for almost 4 solid years on all my vehciles without an issue. I am just wondering what I should be looking out for.

I stay away from "miracles in a bottle" type cures. If you have a problem, fix it. Don't try to fix a problem that does not exist. I worked in a dyno shop for a while long ago (back when dynos were rare) and zmax rented in the dyno for a day. Basically, they wanted before and after tests showing power improvements using their products. There were none. They then did some tweaks to the car to make it gain more power, but we refused to give the data as it was not legit. They got pissed and left; just goes to show you that you can't trust everything you read.

Zmax isn't a horsepower addative. It's simply an oil addative that helps inprove oil flow, keep carbon deposits off the insides of an engine and promote lubricity within wear parts.

I would have laughed at them for trying to make horsepower with an oil supplement as well.

When I first got my IDI, it had what sounded to me like a sticking lifter. Tap, tap, tap....constantly. I changed the oil a coupld times in a quick interval, but no change. I poured a whole bottle of Zmax (as per instructions) and within 500 kilometers, it was gone completely. The sludge that was under my oil fill cap was gone as well.

Same as the 3800 series 2 in my buick. It was NOT looked after at all until I got my hands on her. It was showing signs of sludge under the oil fill cap and down into the valvetrain if I shined a flashlight inside her. I did about 5 quick oil changed with Zmax in them, and it litterally washed the sludge out of the engine.

I KNOW it did it, because I cut the first filter open before Z max an it was pertty dirty. The next oil change I cut the filter open and it was packed with crud! It got worse until about the 4th oil change and then it got better and better. Now, I can go 3000 miles and have the oil come out only a few shages darker than it went in. It is almost clear on my dipstick at 3000 miles when I pull to check.

When I pulled my valve pan cover to do the gaskets, it was sparkling clean in there. The engine has 255000 kilometers on it (158000 miles) and it's in perfect working order after having a HUGE Zmax infusion!

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Not bad for almost 160 000 miles

I am not saying it's a miracle "mechanic in a can" but it does a good job. I am sure auto RX is better, but look at the cost!!
 

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I've consumed nearly a litre of oil in just around the last 8000 miles, so my consumption is fine.

So you're NOT using Rotella :slyLOL

And to the OP since we are talking about oil and seafoams and whatnot, I figgure I will toss you a bit of info on motor oils.

STAY AWAY FROM SHELL ROTELLA ENGINE OIL!!! Your engine will drink it like cold beers on a hot day. Ask some of us seinor guys how we know!! lol
 

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Zmax has worked well for many people, and some swear by it, but some don't dare to add it to their oil and/or gas. I am currently trying to find that long article explaining what Zmax does. If I remember correctly, it is somewhat like an adhesive, which adheres to all the engine parts and can chip off and cause metal hot spots. Don't quote me on that though. If it works for you, go for it.
 

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Zmax has worked well for many people, and some swear by it, but some don't dare to add it to their oil and/or gas. I am currently trying to find that long article explaining what Zmax does. If I remember correctly, it is somewhat like an adhesive, which adheres to all the engine parts and can chip off and cause metal hot spots. Don't quote me on that though. If it works for you, go for it.

If you can find it, I'd like to take a read about it. I haven't heard of it, but it sounds like a good read.
 

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http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

This is not the article I previously read, but here is something similar. But hey, if zmax works well in your vehicles, I would stick with it. Hope this doesn't open a new can of worms lol.
I just stick with the auto-rx in oil and seafoam in fuel...on occasion. The auto-rx cut down my oil consumption from a quart every 500 miles to a quart every 1500 or so miles. I am hoping the second treatment of auto-rx continues to decrease my engines oil consumption.
 

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