B99 fuel?

[chris142]

Ran across this at a station on the wrong side of the state. Any reason to not use it?

 

[gandalf]

I've used it, and my truck loved it. The engine seemed to run a bit smoother, a bit quieter, and my buttometer seemed to say it had a slight bit more power. My mistake was in not driving the truck enough. The B99 sat way too long in the tanks, and went bad. Remember, B99 is not a fossil fuel. It's a vegetable oil based fuel, I believe. When it gets too old it will literally rot. That's what happened in my truck. It ruined a new and very good IP when it rotted.

If you drive your truck as a daily driver, or at least frequently, I think you would be safe. If you go through a tank or so of fuel every couple weeks, I think you would be safe. If your fuel sits in the tank for extended periods, stick with dino juice, regular diesel.

 

[Macrobb]

Yeah, good point. And, as you have a front and rear tank, it's not hard to keep one as regular diesel and switch to it for a few minutes before parking it for a while.

 

[chris142]

I plan on running that tank out that day on our trip. So fuel getting old won't be a problem. I hear that bio has more lube that #2 does. Shouldn't have to add lube this time.

 

[Hydro-idi]

All it takes is about 5% bio fuel to give these injection pumps and injectors more than enough lube. You should be fine running a tank of b99. It’ll also clean things up pretty good. Used to run Flying J b20 in my rig so I wouldn’t have to put any fuel additives in tanks. Ran pretty good on the stuff.

 

[chris142]

Got a tank of it today. Power is up as is smoothness. Can't say mpg because I have not filled up again.

I can say that the exhaust stinks! Smoke is almost non existant. Wonder why Cali does not push this fuel harder? Prolly getting paid by big oil instead of pushing the cleaner renewable fuel.

 

[compressionignitionrules]

we can't buy any bio diesel here, its not available . our fuel comes from the US although most came out of the ground here and got refined there..........1.25 per litre CAN is average for this part of Ontario this winter.

 

[genscripter]

Wonder why Cali does not push this fuel harder? Prolly getting paid by big oil instead of pushing the cleaner renewable fuel.

Because Baker Commodity lobbyists wrote the Waste Inedible Kitchen grease legislation to make it a crime to haul more than a teaspoon of this stuff without a state license and 1-2 million dollar insurance policy. So it is really hard to haul, process, store, and sell biodiesel or WVO anymore for a profit. And the funny part about this is, the CEO of Baker Commodity lectures the world about lasse faire capitalism when his own paid lobbyists write legislation in his favor. Go figure.

 

[Thewespaul]

And you wonder why they’re all moving to Texas...

 

[CDX825]

Only thing I have access to locally is B10 and I can tell you my truck runs noticeably better on it.

 

[genscripter]

I'm not a BioD guy. I read too many horror stories on Fred's TDI forum about Bio polymerizing up in the IP and other parts. The oil reacts with ferrous metals and copper and brass, and it creates particles that clog in the injector system. Not worth it.

But I do run WVO, on a third alum tank. I start and stop on diesel, but run on WVO. runs noticeably better, saves fuel costs, doesn't smell like toxic diesel fumes, and by not letting the WVO sit in the engine parts, it doesn't allow for poly.

I guess the suggestion to run BioD in one tank and start and stop on diesel from the other tank is good. Regardless, still wouldn't run BioD in my van.

 

[Hydro-idi]

So if the biodiesel oil reacts with “ferrous metals and copper and brass” within the injection system, than why is it being sold commercially?
I have talked to Mel @ Conestoga Diesel about this topic and his injection pumps are warranted for biodiesel. Viton o-rings are key when running biodiesel long term. Nothing else to worry about aside from a shorter shelf life.

 

[genscripter]

Good point about the viton seals. A biod runner should upgrade their seals. Also, if they are running rubber fuel lines, they need to make sure they get the biofuel-rated stuff.

But the reason why lots of guys don't know about the repurcussions of bioD in their IP and injectors is cuz we only get the reports of the success stories. If a project totally fails, most people are keen to post it on the internet for all to see.

 

[Macrobb]

It also depends on how you 'make' your biodiesel, how clean etc. Veggie oil by itself isn't going to corrode steel, but when you start adding ethanol(hydroscopic, picks up water from the air) or Postassium Hydroxide(very alkaline, used as an electrolyte in alkaline batteries), that's what could, especially if it doesn't all get reacted.

The people who just fractionate the liquid part of wvo off and mix it with a thinner(diesel or gas) will likely not have the corrosion problems, but might have gumming issues.

 

[Thewespaul]

Good point about the viton seals. A biod runner should upgrade their seals. Also, if they are running rubber fuel lines, they need to make sure they get the biofuel-rated stuff.

But the reason why lots of guys don't know about the repurcussions of bioD in their IP and injectors is cuz we only get the reports of the success stories. If a project totally fails, most people are keen to post it on the internet for all to see.

Plenty of success stories and failures reported here. You got to take from the big picture and decide if alt fuels are for you. It’s hard to get far without knowing the risks