Alternator not charging at idle

85horsehauler

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Hi,

Got a problem. When I was doing work on replacing the return lines this weekend, I threw the battery charger on batteries and was surprised how drained the batteries were. Now, I only drive this truck on relatively short trips and it only gets used about once a week.

When I was getting the annual safety inspection today, I asked the mechanic to test the alternator. He said that it was not charging at idle but was at other times. He suggested starting at the voltage regulator.

What does the combined experience of this board think? Regulator the right place to start or is it the alternator itself?
 

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you can do a quick and dirty check yourself, at idle if you put a voltmeter on the battery you should be reading at least 13.5 volts. if the bearings are good in the alternator i see no problem with just trying the voltage regulator. most of the time if you pull the regulator and can find a "decent" guy at a big chain store they can test it for you for free. might be a good time to upgrade to a 200 amp tourus alternator.....
 

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I think that the mechanic basically did just put a voltmeter on the battery as he said at idle there was only 12 volts and above idle it went to 13.5.

The batteries are less than a year old, so I'm pretty sure they aren't the culprits.

Thanks for the input.
 

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I think the alternator on IDIs do not start charging until about 1000 rpm. Idle is usually around 650.

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Mine does not charge when I first start it up. If I want it to charge I have to hit the throttle a bit then the alternator will turn on. It will also stay on and charge at idle once I do that. This is what they call a self excite alternator. The original alternator that it had when I bought the truck had a wire going to the voltage regulator that would turn the alternator on. The replacement alternator did not have this terminal and instead had a diode trio.
 

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If it never charges at an idle it is most likely the altenator.
Take it to a rebuild shop for testing and a rebuild if necessary.
Mine cost under $70 for a complete rebuild. It had leaking diodes, got new brushes,bearings, everything but windings. I will not buy things like this from autoparts stores, they cost way way more and all they do is the same thing that cost me $70.
 

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Thanks for all of the input. I got out the voltmeter and did some testing. I ended up replacing the voltage regulator, and now it seems to be doing better. I also redid all of the connectors into the regulator as they were severly corroded. I think that it might have been the original regulator.
 

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On a side note and not to hijack this thread. Tell us more about this tarus alternator
 

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The Taurus alternator probably refers to the Ford 3G (Third generation) alternator which is available in 95 and 130 amp versions. If you use an alternator with the correct style mount, retrofit is relatively simple.

Do a search on yahoo or google, lots of write ups on installing these into Mustangs which use the same 2 bolt mounting.
 

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Disconnect the connector at the voltage regulator and place a jumper wire across the A and F terminals in the harness. If the alternator puts out about 16 to 18 volts, the alternator is good. DO NOT run above a fast idle.
 

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sorry i guess i was a little high on the amp output, not quite 200 but a good upgrade nontheless.

a post i saved courtesy of Bugzturbo

"The patient: `86 F-250 w/6.9L IDI engine.

My alternator was on its last leg, so I decided to upgrade to a 3G internally regulated unit since I run higher wattage lights, power inverter for charging cordless power tools, high power stereo, winch and run dual red top Optima batteries. I do this swap on most of my cars (Mustang, Thunderbird, etc) and other peoples, so I tend to keep a nice stock of them in my garage for spares, along with their pigtails. I could not believe how easy this was compared to all the splicing, running new wires, MAX fuse install, etc of the Mustangs and such.

Now keep in mind, this is aimed more for the "junkyard jewel" crowd since doing this with new parts would be expensive and defeat the purpose. I had the 100a large case alternator on my truck, but I think all the diesels do, so that shouldn't matter. The SMALL case 3G from a 3.8L Ford Taurus is a DIRECT bolt on. It's a small case with extended ears to fit a large case mount. These are found on early to mid 90's Ford Taurus with the 3.8L engine (maybe 3.0L too, can't remember off hand). Grab the alternator from that car, but then go find a `92-up Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis WITHOUT the police package (ie, 98% of what you're going to find in a junkyard anyway). They also use a 3g alternator, but with a completely different mounting system as these cars have a 4.6L engine that mounts the alternator in the valley of the engine. Now, unplug/unbolt the alternator harness from the alternator, then follow it back. You will find a junction block and a single round 2 wire plug. Unplug it and unbolt the hot lead from the junction block. You're done at the yard.

Unplug your harness and remove the factory alternator. Swap the pulleys on the old and new alt (you MAY need to grind just a tiny bit on the 3G's support ribs on the front for ample clearance of the V-belt pulley. Mine was REALLY close, so I just touched it up a bit to make sure it had plenty of room). Now, trace your harness back and unplug everything. There will be a round 4 wire plug, a square 2 wired plug and a fusible link attached to the starter solenoid. Also unplug the external voltage regulator (you can also remove the regulator at this time as it is no longer needed). The rpm signal lead will be in the harness to and will need to be unplugged if you have a tack in your truck. Now, unwrap your original harness. You will see where the hot lead that attached to the alternator goes down and meets up with a splice junction of other wires. Cut the lead to the alternator off of the splice, it is no longer needed. Leave all the other wires attached to that splice and tape it up. The other wire that connected to the alternator is orange and goes down to the voltage regulator. It is no longer needed. At the regulator plug, remove the yellow wire(s) and the green wire. You can clip them close to the plug. Toss the regulator plug and orange wire in the trash. Now, on the new harness you got from the Crown Vic, you will notice the round plug has a green and a yellow wire. Clip them both and toss the plug. Solder the yellow(s) of the old harness to the yellow of the new harness and the green to the green. Tape them up good. You're done already. Go reinstall the harness the same way it came out (you can retape the whole harness too for neatness if you'd like). Install the Taurus alternator and plug it in. Now, at the starter solenoid, you need to reconnect the terminal you removed AND the terminal on the hot lead on the new harness. And there you go. 130 amps of raw charging power.

What makes this so easy, and so different from other 3G swaps is that these trucks have a 3 wire regulator, not a 4 wire, so no need to bridge terminals like other applications. Also, the harness from the Crown Vic is the perfect length, PLUS, the wire is already gauged correctly for the amperage, AND it already has a built in fusible link rated for the higher amperage. No need for splicing in new wires and MAXI fuses like on other swaps. It's really VERY simple and should take no more than an hour to do. The 3G's are more reliable than the early alternators, and also put out more power at lower rpms and idle, which is important for our low revving diesels. Hope this helps some of you guys who were fearing a swap like this.

Bug "
 

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