More power.....idi? psd? cummins?
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oldblue05
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Everyone keeps talkin about ditching the old ZF, it seems to me that someone probably performs buildups of these transmissions, has anyone thought of that? Just my .02 but I prefer the feel of the way the ZF shifts WAY better than any trans that has come out of the chrysler corp all together.
bike-maker
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The ZF trannys have held together behind some PSD's that make a whole bunch of power(I realize they have an extra 50 ft. lbs. torque capacity); I don't see why one wouldn't hold up behind a mild DT360? It would make the swap that much easier.
Diesel_brad
Dunce
The choices are endless for a repower. You can go with the DT360 but you will almost be on your own for adapters, but you can call http://www.carsonstaufferdiesel.com/ he has done more than one DT360 swap.
A cummins is another choice, but to me, it was just another 'Me too" engine.
Then there is the PSD. It will bolt right in place of the IDI and everything is a plug and play, you just need a donor truck. For you I would look for a 2wd canidate, and just swap the PSD stiff into your IDI truck, no custom anything. You can get a good rotted out running PSD truck these days for about 1000-1500, or less
But to reach the HP you are looking for, all 3 will need to be warmed up
A cummins is another choice, but to me, it was just another 'Me too" engine.
Then there is the PSD. It will bolt right in place of the IDI and everything is a plug and play, you just need a donor truck. For you I would look for a 2wd canidate, and just swap the PSD stiff into your IDI truck, no custom anything. You can get a good rotted out running PSD truck these days for about 1000-1500, or less
But to reach the HP you are looking for, all 3 will need to be warmed up
Diesel_brad
Dunce
The DT is easiest to modify in my mind and the most reliable with lots of HP. Hypermax says the DT is good for about 2000HP
that is just insane
The DT is easiest to modify in my mind and the most reliable with lots of HP. Hypermax says the DT is good for about 2000HP
X 2. Plus, you can get hot DT parts pretty cheap from pullers upgrading their tractor for next season. Pulloff is a good place to look for those kind of things. I bought a Hypermax P-pump (1100cc), larger stainless lines, a turbo (with three different housings), hardend rods, and the IP mounting plate and drive gear for less than the cost of buy the just IP from Hypermax (by > $1000) from a puller. Those will be going on my DT466.
Heath
BleednBlue68
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Cummins or a DT. PSD is a great motor but then yer gonna need all the harnesses. Cummins would prob be cheaper and lots of people have already done it.
Diesel_brad
Dunce
I believe they are a NON overdrive unit
Clydesdale
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DT360.
Ford 6.6/BRAZILIAN WHATEVAH
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Best of all worlds.. Dmax/Allison. Easiest newer diesel to get 450 hp... and Allisons are bomob diggity.
Ford 6.6/BRAZILIAN WHATEVAH
or ********.
Best of all worlds.. Dmax/Allison. Easiest newer diesel to get 450 hp... and Allisons are bomob diggity.
Diesel JD
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The non overdrive part will really make you hate life, especially if the DT360 has a power band anything like the Cummins 6BT. You'd need some sort of auxillary overdrive unit. The DT360 is pretty weak from the factory, but I'll bet a turned up one making 300 HP and 600+ lbs-ft of torque would still be reasonably reliable with a ZF 5 simply because they hold together behind non stock powerstrokes and occasionay Cummins swaps all the time. I have no evidence to back that up though. You should probably research some of the PSD forums and see what the guys that have heavily modified their PSD have experienced with the ZF. The best bet would be a true medium duty manual like a road ranger, but that would get expensive and challenging to mount in a hurry.
Mechanical DT's have a great rep for cold weather starting. There is no provision for glow plugs or an intake heating grid. Some have block heaters that can be used. The HEUI (same as the PSD's) DT466E's are another story, but you don't want one of those. If you leave the compression ratio at 17.5 to 1, and don't get too crazy with the IP timing........ it will start just fine, especially with a block heater.
Heath
FordGuy100
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6.4/5R110 I think tromps on them. 525-550RWHP and a tranny that doesnt need built to handle it.
Black dawg
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I think that grafting a grid heater would be a good idea. will the gigantic starters used in the dt application fit in our trucks or is a different one needed for the swap?
The starters can be mounted in several locations depending on the block to trans adaptor. Most use SAE #2 bellhousings with the start high of the driver's or passenger's side of the engine. That should put it out of the way of the frame and engine crossmember. I'll know for certain once I get the crew cab's 6.9 rebuilt and can start mounting the DT466 on the F350 frame I'm using.
Heath
FordGuy100
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About the price for cummins swap parts, maybe a tad higher.
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