Idea about pump for ZF tranny cooler installation

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A couple of weeks ago I posted this thread: http://www.oilburners.net/forums/sh...ng-a-transmission-cooler-pump-on-a-ZF-5-speed

Initially, my thought was to use a Facet Duralift pump to move the ATF around. However, that probably won't work too well long term.

I found out about these guys: http://www.remcotowing.com/ I gave them a call yesterday and found that their 'Lube Pump' (the pump used in the LP-1 towing kit) is sold individually for $219. Sounds good so far. The bummer is that it should not under ANY circumstances be exposed to heated fluids above 180*. The material they use for the diaphragm limits it's ability to handle heat. The guy I talked to on the phone recommended using a pump whose pumping material was metal (gears) rather than rubber or whatever material the diaphragm pumps use.

What I've realized is finding a pump that will last long-term under the conditions I plan to subject it to will be challenging. This was the best I found: http://turbowerx.com/Scavenge_Pumps/Exa-Pump/Exa-Pump.html It would work great for a tranny cooler application and would probably last longer than my truck. Problem is I can be a cheap *******, and I don't want to spend four C notes on the pump alone. I'd prefer to keep the total amount invested in this entire project below that number. The lower the better, as far as I'm concerned. :D Then I found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Electri...Parts_Accessories&hash=item2574410c54&vxp=mtr A couple of issues: the seller has only three sales under his belt, I'm sure it is hand fabricated in China and won't last anywhere near as long as the Turbowerx Exa pump. (Turbowerx says the Exa pump will last 10,000 hours!) The nice thing is that it would be slightly less than $160 to my door.

I'm thinking that this would be a good spot to mount the pump:

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Somewhere in the red oval area. As you can see, the parking brake cable is toward the top of the frame rail and could be a possible problem. I'm not set on this spot, it was the first place that popped into my mind. One of the things I noticed is that there's already plenty of holes in that particular location, which would mean less drilling through the frame (I drilled the frame to remount my front bumper and it took awhile). Also, for longevity I think some kind of custom skid plate to prevent damage would be a good idea.

Thoughts?
 

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Google "Oil Scavenge Pumps"

The turbowerx one you posted up is a good option. Don't be fooled though, they want you to buy their $400 version, however the base model pump will probably be more than sufficient for this application.
 

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ZF 5 speed lube pump

I plan on using a Tilton lube pump on my ZF trans, running the lube from the trans thru a cooler then back to the trans.
 

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Check out this pump from summit racing. Dan http://www.summitracing.com/compare.aspx

I couldn't get anything to come up on that link.

I just put fast coolers on my ZF. I don't have any before after/temp numbers, but the theory looks good to me. Added 2 qts to the capacity. Nice product

http://www.fastcoolers.com

This article is on an NV4500, but you get the idea. http://www.shadetreemechanic.com/tdr detail_guy.htm

Seems simpler than a pump system.

I agree with it being a simpler system and definitely preferred, but with my Hypermax turbo up-pipes I don't have enough clearance to fit the PTO extensions. That's the reason I'm doing this project.

I just googled electric gear driven oil pump and this is one thing I cam up with....

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/oilsystems.htm

Looks similar to the one in the ebay add....

I dunno but these guys seem to have done some homework!

HERE is the google page I got...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=elec...ozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-aurora

I've been on that website; I found it through another forum. You're right about them knowing their stuff.

Thanks for the responses, it's time to do some more research...
 

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.....I agree with it being a simpler system and definitely preferred, but with my Hypermax turbo up-pipes I don't have enough clearance to fit the PTO extensions. That's the reason I'm doing this project......

Could you not use the PTO cooler on one side....LH...and plumb a pumped cooler on the other side? Try one PTO cooler first...then add the pump setup if needed....JUST sayin...may be easiest way to go...

Try and get a PTO cooler that is extruded and has fins inside and out thus increasing surface area to dissipate heat.
 

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Could you not use the PTO cooler on one side....LH...and plumb a pumped cooler on the other side? Try one PTO cooler first...then add the pump setup if needed....JUST sayin...may be easiest way to go...

Try and get a PTO cooler that is extruded and has fins inside and out thus increasing surface area to dissipate heat.

In the original thread, Post #10: http://www.oilburners.net/forums/sh...oler-pump-on-a-ZF-5-speed&p=681644#post681644 I have a picture of the LH of the ZF in my truck. It's hard to see, but the Hypermax up-pipe is almost touching the PTO cover. However, on the RH side, there is about 4" of room. I'll look into your suggestion.
 

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I have had those Hypermax up pipes off once before, but I didn't remember them going back that far. Didn't Hypermax think that maybe somebody might want to use a PTO on the pickup?
 

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I have had those Hypermax up pipes off once before, but I didn't remember them going back that far. Didn't Hypermax think that maybe somebody might want to use a PTO on the pickup?

Apparently not.

Go to Summit Racing and do a search for Tilton Pump.

Ah, I have seen the name Tilton before on here but couldn't find it in my lame Google search attempts. Thanks!
 

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I just put an order in for a pair of Fast Coolers. We'll see how it goes...
 

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They really are a nice product and a simple functional design. I wasn't trying to bash on your pump idea. I just like things to be simple rugged and functional. I even talked to the creator (Verlin Fast). Nice guy. I understand that your Hypermax up pipes are an issue, but on my pickup it was a no brainer to me. Added cooling and added capacity. Maybe not necessary, but definitely an improvement. They look cool to. Good conversion piece. People see them and ask, "What are those things on your transmission."
 
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