I think punk's referring to the issues with working on a van, more than driving it. IMHO vans certainly have their place, but with how cramped the engine compartment is, van repairs make truck repairs look easy. I like driving Ford's full-size vans, but if I was wrenching on them on a regular basis, I'd probably be swearing at them too. I was lucky with my old E-350; the engine never gave me any troublesounds like someone didn't watch the A-Team. i'd love to have a full size diesel van.