Super Duty 7.3L PSD vs OBS PSD

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I realize there's lots of info out there and I don't mean to bug you guys or anything. I like to have my own conversations about things because it really helps me piece it all together, conceptually. Honestly, I just like talking to you guys. Lol.
So, a big thank you to everyone who indulges my questions. Certainly I couldn't have learned nearly as much as I have if it weren't for this community. Owning a diesel truck, a longtime dream for myself, would be so much scarier of it went for Oilburners.
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I didn't mean for it to come off as "I don't feel like helping because a search function and 17 hours of your time trying to find the right thread works so I'll just be a jerk about it". I'm all for talking things out. It usually brings to light other people's ways of doing things differently with the same or better results.
 

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Oh, I know. I just wanted to say that. I've never met a jerk on here. [emoji2]

Every time I go into something I always want to dig down to the basics and understand the "why". I've also always love to find out about things from those who've actually done it.
Anyways, I was really just wanting to say thanks.
 

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ive met a few jerks on here. one got banned, and the other, well, i have better things to do with my time lol

01 is the change over year, my 01 has the powder crush rods, this is why i will never put a tuner on her.
leave it stock-ish and let her ride!

besides the switch from forged rods, the differences of the early and late PSD's the only thing that was really changed was the HPOP, and the turbo.

the HPOP had some degree change in the 98-99 era. i havnt had to mess with them yet, so im not too knowledgeable on them
but i keep seeing different degrees. i know for a fact that they are different from my 97's to my 01.


the turbos are majorly different.
as posted the 99.5+ turbos had smaller exh and 2x the size of the compressor housing.
as stated, this is why you hear them spool harder.

while doing work on that 89 F350, we deleted the old non gated TP-38 for the early 99 GTP-38
it has the same small exhaust casting as the 99.5 +, with the intake housing of the 94-97

the bellowed up pipes fit flawlessly and was 1/2 the price as the OBS up pipes.
i did opt for an EPBV delete pedestal because the turbo bolt design is different.
the 94-97 turbo bolts from the bottom of the pedestal, whole the 99+ bolts from the top
the only thing that was needed to be fabbed was the intake Y, he has no room for an inner cooler.
when using a inner cooler you wouldnt need this.

i did have to modify the cowl so that the wastegate would clear.
but this is a brick nose, not an OBS.

many claim they are the same, but im just not too sure about that.
after trying to fit the OBS crush pipe to fit in the brick with a PSD, it was impossible.
but i feel confident that i can fab up and squeeze a 3" round down pipe in.
pinch weld all flattened

in closing, when i picked up my 98 E350, i was pretty surprised that my 01 could not keep up with my 98.
the E350 even has 300k on the dial.
the 01 is pretty stock minus a billet compressor wheel, and new intake plentums.

if you want the bellowed up pipes, and youre thinking about a new turbo, i would look into using a 99+ GTP38.

just stay away from the powder crush rods.... not that they are bad, but i would have rather had forged rods...

EDIT: as i sit here, i keep remembering a few more differences.

and the intake plentums are different, i dont know what year, but the newer 7.3's were larger.
and im not to sure on the exact size, but i know they are different intake boot sizes.

the heads have the same casting numbers from 97 to 01...
this i posted along time ago.
http://www.oilburners.net/forums/showthread.php?70747-97-vs-2001-head-swaps

and of course, mechanical lift pump in the early PSD and e-fuel in the later years.
 
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I was hoping to hear from IDIoit. I know you had that bellowed up pipes thread a while back and you were talking about using the SD setup for the bellowed up pipes.
Do the intake plenum bolt on directly?
Would the HPOP be a bolt in swap?
I believe you absolutely had to fab your on y pipe, so that's not a bolt on.
 

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The intake plenums changed in 99.5 from 2.5" to 3". And the HPOP differences are 15* in OBS/E99 and 17* in L99 and up.

something is incorrect here.
what it is, i do not know. but what i do know is that the plentum holes on the 96 psd are 2"..
FYI ;Sweet

i did use the bellowed up pipes. and they worked great, but i did use a turbo that was designed for them.
the blocks are essentially the same

i still have not drivin the truck.
im waiting on down pipe pieces and new fuel lines.

as far as the HPOP, i have read about people swaping them, i just dont know what it takes.
 

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I believe the early 99 plenum was it's own beast, from what I understand.
2" 94.5 - 97
2.5" early 99
3" late 99 - 03

You did have to change the intake plenum to use that turbo, correct?
 

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nope. i used the stock plentums.
the Y was also 2" outlets, so i cut them off, and welded in 2 2" pieces at the spot i needed them to be.
worked great so far
 

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while doing work on that 89 F350, we deleted the old non gated TP-38 for the early 99 GTP-38
it has the same small exhaust casting as the 99.5 +, with the intake housing of the 94-97

if you want the bellowed up pipes, and youre thinking about a new turbo, i would look into using a 99+ GTP38.

Oh yeah! Lol
 

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you can get a GTP 38 on e-bay for 400 bucks
pedestal = 150
bellowed down pipes = 250

vs.
600 for the bellowed OBS uppipes.
and you get rid of any future EBPV problems
and a rebuilt turbo thats an upgrade for an OBS
 

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That's a whole GTP 38 for $400? Wow. For just $200 more you end up with bellowed up pipes AND EBPV delete AND an upgraded turbo!
I was thinking doing any turbo upgrade was a down the road thing but sense I do need my up pipes repaired I could actually justify it at that price.
 

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Ah! The intake plenum is on the right where the y pipe attaches and the turbo itself is on the left, in this pic. Is that correct? Lol, if so, it all makes sense now.

...I could have that backwards lol
 

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