Moosepump 14 lbs Boost & 1150 Degrees

[icanfixall]

Well, I turned down my Moose pump and tested it. It runs like a scaulded dog..... It really runs quicker now with less fuel and less smoke but I still have smoke. More than I like. On a slight grade I see 13 lbs of boost and 900 degrees without any trouble. On the bright side the smoke is much less. Smoke is money out the 4 inch straight pipe without any benefit to power or economy. I will be turning it down some in another few days. BTW... For those that might be thinking I'm maybe turning it up instead of down nope... I do know which way to turn that adjustment. My timing is 8.5 BTDC..... Things are looken up....

 

[icanfixall]

So... I just did my mileage for the recent trip. The 480 miles was half towing the 3 horse gooseneck with 2 horses and gear at about 11,000 lbs total going down the road combined weight. So thats 480 miles on 30.8 gallons. Not bad at 15.5 mpg..... So, Now that I have turned down the pump I'm wondering what the mpg will be??? BTW I travel around 70 mph most of the time. Finally I got a plumb and not a prune off the tree of life......

 

[93turbo_animal]

The stock pump can supply plenty of fuel for a turboed truck mine has seen 13 psi and 1350 egt's and climbing so obviously one of the things with the moose pump is an ability to run more fuel with out the heat oh and the boost might have been higher but thats where I have the waste gate set

 

[Diesel JD]

I think the timing curve is really really crucial with these HO pumps, the EGTs are always the limiting factor. I thought you already had your intercooler Gary.

 

[Cheaper Jeeper]

what i can tell from the reports the moose pump can inject more fuel and still keep the egts cool from working with the timing curve. So basically you get a faster running truck that it is safer to run because your pyro isn't buried....unless you wanna bury it

SO is this the real story Mel? Not the part about how you did it - I'm not trying to get you to reveal anything, I just want to know if this statement is true...

"what i can tell from the reports the moose pump can inject more fuel and still keep the egts cool..."

If that is accurate, then I think I'm gonna be ordering me one REAL soon...

 

[icanfixall]

Diesel JD, I have a brand new Hypermax intercooler. I just have not installed it yet but its going in soon.

 

[Diesel JD]

Gary you'll have to do a writeup on it, maybe even with a few pics( I know that's asking a lot, I'm technologically not all that inclined myself) but a writeup at least, you're very thorough. I bet it ain't going to be easy. I seriously thought about putting an intercooler from a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII in my truck with the turbo, a lot of these guys thought it might make things worse instead of better or even if it would work I should just turbo first and see where I'm at so that's where I am, I don't have a DPS or Moose Pump yet and I still am happy with my very mildly turbocharged 6.9. Course I don't haul horses or a TT. A full chord of hardwood, a bed full of WVO or the 20' boat is about as hard as she gets worked.

 

[Agnem]

SO is this the real story Mel? Not the part about how you did it - I'm not trying to get you to reveal anything, I just want to know if this statement is true...

"what i can tell from the reports the moose pump can inject more fuel and still keep the egts cool..."

If that is accurate, then I think I'm gonna be ordering me one REAL soon...

I can't quote any specifics. All I can offer is the testimony of the 6 individuals who have purchased Moose Pumps from me. To date, I have had no complaints with the product. I'll re-iterate that I don't actually build these myself, but that they are built by a friend at an authorized Stanadyne rebuilder who is a specialist and highly trained. I told him what I wanted, and he delivered. I can't say how he does it because I didn't pay him to teach me how to do it. I just pay him to do it for me. What little I know is that these pumps, while simple in design and function, have a wide array of variables that can be messed with. I've done enough of my own experimenting to have great respect for those who are in the know, and can do it well. I do know that there is a relationship between a given throttle setting and the timing. I didn't say to him "Make the timing X at throttle percentage Y" or anything like that. He sets them up based on his years of experience and the results of my testing.

 

[Agnem]

Oh, and as for a write up on installing a Hypermax intercooler on an IDI, one already exists. Jerry Miller (now known as MeanGreen here at OB) did a nice write up on TDS. I don't know if it is still there or not. Jerry, maybe if you read this and still have the write up, I can re-post it here.

 

[tuckerd1]

I have a thread Here for my install. Not a comlete write up, but it shows the highlights. If you have questions post them in that thread and I'll try my best to answer them.

It was an easy install, just a little time consuming.

BTW, I read Jerry Miller's install notes before I did mine. Good write up. After that I pretty much used the Hypermax instructions and it all worked out good.

 

[Cheaper Jeeper]

I can't quote any specifics. All I can offer is the testimony of the 6 individuals who have purchased Moose Pumps from me. To date, I have had no complaints with the product. I'll re-iterate that I don't actually build these myself, but that they are built by a friend at an authorized Stanadyne rebuilder who is a specialist and highly trained. I told him what I wanted, and he delivered. I can't say how he does it because I didn't pay him to teach me how to do it. I just pay him to do it for me. What little I know is that these pumps, while simple in design and function, have a wide array of variables that can be messed with. I've done enough of my own experimenting to have great respect for those who are in the know, and can do it well. I do know that there is a relationship between a given throttle setting and the timing. I didn't say to him "Make the timing X at throttle percentage Y" or anything like that. He sets them up based on his years of experience and the results of my testing.

OK, that's fine. I understand now that you don't know exactly what he does to them to make them perform as they do - that's OK - like I said, I'm not trying to find out exatly HOW, but you didn't answer my main question.

Is this an accurate statement (based on the feedback of the 6 people who have bought one)

"...the moose pump can inject more fuel and still keep the egts cool..."

Because if that is the case, and the price isn't too outrageous (PM me if you don't want to talk dollars in an open forum) then I'm very interested. Because being able to put a little more coal on the fire without the EGTs getting too high is a pretty good description of exactly what I need. With my camper on and Jeep hitched up behind my EGTs are right on the edge of getting too high when pulling a steep grade at WOT...

 

[FordGuy100]

OK, that's fine. I understand now that you don't know exactly what he does to them to make them perform as they do - that's OK - like I said, I'm not trying to find out exatly HOW, but you didn't answer my main question.

Is this an accurate statement (based on the feedback of the 6 people who have bought one)

"...the moose pump can inject more fuel and still keep the egts cool..."

Because if that is the case, and the price isn't too outrageous (PM me if you don't want to talk dollars in an open forum) then I'm very interested. Because being able to put a little more coal on the fire without the EGTs getting too high is a pretty good description of exactly what I need. With my camper on and Jeep hitched up behind my EGTs are right on the edge of getting too high when pulling a steep grade at WOT...

If thats the cause, I would say that it might put you over the top. From what I understand, the moose pump will offer you more performance, and the EGT's will get a little higher, but not as crazy as one would think.

Cheaper, is your rig intercooled? I know that when I throw on a Moose pump mine will be. Its a lot of fab work, but in the end, it will be worth it.

 

[Cheaper Jeeper]

Nope, no intercooler on my truck and from some reading I've been doing, I think I'd probably do a water/**** injection system before I'd install an intercooler. Bigger bang for the buck...

Before I get to the point of doing either of those, I need to fab & install a better cold air intake first.

Oh and BTW, the part of the quote about the moose pump is that it pushes more fuel and keep EGTs cool. I'm not as interested in more fuel part as I am in limiting the EGTs when I'm pushing more fuel. My pump will already push more than I can burn...

 

[FordGuy100]

Nope, no intercooler on my truck and from some reading I've been doing, I think I'd probably do a water/**** injection system before I'd install an intercooler. Bigger bang for the buck...

Before I get to the point of doing either of those, I need to fab & install a better cold air intake first.

Same here my friend, same here. I need to do something to the intake. I would really like more intake side turbo whistle, so I can actually hear it decently with my windows up . I'll figure something out.


And to be honest, I like the whole intercooler idea better. I mean, think about hauling, and how long fuel lasts, lets say 500 miles, with tons of really steep long grades. With water **** injection, what happens when you run out, your kinda SOL. At least with an intecooler you still get the cooling affect. Who knows though, maybe I'm just talking out my a$$

 

[Diesel JD]

Well I think an intercooler can only help the engine, incorrect water/**** injection can scatter it. Done right it is effective and useful though, really not cheap either unless you want to fab up your own system...I looked into that as well. ATS/Banks etc will cost you $500-600 or more, by that time you could easily buy the parts you needed to retrofit a PSD intercooler or about 1/2 way to buying a "bolt in" system from Hypermax.