Metal in transmisson. Whats normal?

[finitetime]

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Is this to much metal to be on the magnet in the transmission. Especially since its got 85,000 miles on it and its under warranty? e40d in f250 7.3


You don't have to read the history to answer the questions its just background on the truck and why I want your advise.

History I've been getting the dreaded flashing od light. Changed mlps and flps. Cleaned all harness connections and put dielectric grease on them. Still got Flashing od light. Code 62 kept coming up on the scanner and transmission shops around town said I need a torque convert immediately upon hearing code 62 out without even looking at the truck. I was told " I guarantee you that's what it is." This is a transmission that my mechanic bought form a big company and I paid more money for it than it would have cost to get rebuilt around here but they offered me a 3yr 100,000 mile warranty. Local shops would only give me a year. So I took it back to the mechanic who bought it and put it in and he called the tech guys.

They sent him a solenoid pack which he put in yesterday. The truck does run fine now but my mechanic said that there was still something wrong with the transmission for it to have this much metal and it was only a matter of time before it was trash. He showed me the metal and let me take pictures, He's not a transmission specialist and doesn't rebuild them he will simply install what ever transmission you want or replace parts. He said I needed to take the pictures to some of the local transmission shops and get there opinion and advise before I go and call the manufacture next week. If I want to try enforce the warranty. That I needed some certified transmission shops behind me when I ask for a new one with only 3 months left on the warranty.

Seems kind of fishy that 2 other shops said torque converter and codes said torque converter and this guy said solenoid pack. The mechanic said the metal could cause the solenoids from working right and he thought that they were trying to string us along until the warranty ran out.

Sorry for the length.

 

[finitetime]

Thought I had both pictures in first post.

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[hotshotidi]

Depends
Your pic looks like bands
On a fresh rebuild it isn't right to have that much filings

How long ago was it rebuilt
Are u towing heavy
Is there alot of hills

i was a transmission mechanic I saw three inches of shavings I stuck the old back in because that's was holding it together lol thats the worse ive seen

 

[tbrumm]

I don't know how much this will help, but I will tell you my experience for what it is worth. After reading your post, it reminded me of what I went through recently with my Wife's 2003 Explorer. Last spring, the trans did not seem to be shifting corrrectly (very intermittant problem) and then finally threw a TC lockup code. I took it in to the the trans shop and the guy pulled the pan. He said that there was more metal shavings in the pan than he would like to see, but thought it was on "the high end of normal" levels. He said the problem may be solved by replacing the solenoid pack, because he thought the solenoid pack was not locking the converter every time. He replaced the solenoid pack and the trans was fine. That is until this last fall. The trans threw the TC lockup code again. Back in the trans shop, the guy pulled the pan and there was now a lot of metal shavings. The TC had come apart internally and of course metal shavings circulated through the fluid. Full rebuild time. So, I "think" the TC was already in the process of going bad when the solenoid pack was replaced. Maybe the replacement of the solenoid pack, and the fact that the trans also got a new filter and fresh fluid at the time delayed the TC's full demise for another 5 months. Your circumstances just seem really similar, and maybe the trans manufacturer is hoping that your TC hold out another 3 months and get the trans out of the warranty period. Take my experience for what you feel it is worth since this was an Explorer and not a truck.But if it were me, I think I would try to be working with the trans manufacturer on making a warranty claim.

 

[finitetime]

rebuilt 85,000 miles ago
Yes heavy 7200lb truck with service body, 1900lb tailer, 6000lbs skid steer.
I'm in north Ga. Hills is all we have.

 

[FORDF250HDXLT]

thats not metal shavings.that is normal disc material ware and the amount there for 85k miles is very normal to slightly low actually imho.
you wouldn't want to see that every 20k miles when your supposed to flush the fluid,but 85k miles worth....yeah,as to be expected if not more probably.

in this pic here;
http://www.oilburners.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=48575&d=1391901762

those white looking spots.....those are not bright,aluminum specs but just the flash of the cam making them look this way? everything on and around the magnet is black fuzz right?

oops.to your question in the title;
about every 20-30k flush interval,you'll see the magnet covered in the black clutch material.about 1/4 to half as much as you've got there.

 

[finitetime]

no couldn't see any bright aluminum. There's a lot of steel in this trans too. The first one I took the pan off after it started rattling and it was obvious something had come apart.

What about these pieces of clutch. These are large pieces I could pick out. they were the only ones I could find so that's probably it.

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[finitetime]

I've tried to be very careful with it and not getting to aggressive climbing hills or accelerating. I just let it plod along until I get to the top and it wants to accelerate and shift gears at lower rpm than.

 

[hotshotidi]

Thats about normal for ur conditions also I ment thats band material almost like brake dust

 

[finitetime]

Thats about normal for ur conditions also I ment thats band material almost like brake dust

So how long will a transmission last with this kind of wear?
I've been reading up on torque converters that will lock up at lower rpms and save on heat and wear is this something that will prolong its life.

 

[hotshotidi]

Yes and valve body might help and heavier springs if your trans has them i didn't rebuild them i helped I was a remover but I learned alot from an older guy.

 

[hotshotidi]

A transmission with that were could last another 100,000 + or blow up 5 miles down the road thats why I like manuals .auto transmission have there own minds .you could put a better trans cooler on to and install a trans temp gauge

 

[finitetime]

I was have been thinking about all of that. I have an aftermarket cooker that's made for Rv's is about 12x14 in size but with all the slow hill climbing I was talking to a guy the other day about putting one under the cab with fan on it.

Add a shift kit.

And since I don't know what converter they went back with get a low stall, 3 stage billet converter.

What does the valve body do? Haven't gotten into that yet

 

[hotshotidi]

Its ur shift points and helps firm shifts.I would put a fan on ur cooler temp gauge.a shift kits are for valve body's .
Also when you change fluid YOU HAVE TO DUESCH YOUR COOLER and lines or ur recirculating trash and dirt

 

[finitetime]

I thought shift kits firmed up shift points.

I wish I had put in a temp gauge and more in the cooler along with a few request for the above parts from the builder but I was new to the e4 and my previous work trucks had straight shifts so transmission problems weren't even that much of a concern.

If I had all the time I spend reading up on e4od's problems and what how to upgrade them along with the time I spent working on mine I could have installed a straight shift and took a month off.