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Cheaper, the problem with the factory setup is that it does not distribute the oil evenly to be burned and causes the back two cylinders to burn hotter. Plus if you have a turbo it can eventually cause damage to the compressor wheel, and also have you seen Mel Agne's engine in the Moose truck? It is so freakin clean inside that thing you could eat out of the intake manifold.
The matter is not whether you run a RDT or not, its for guys who want to run a RDT but dont want to have the umbillical cord sticking out from under their truck with plumes of smoke coming from it.
 

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Cheaper, the problem with the factory setup is that it does not distribute the oil evenly to be burned and causes the back two cylinders to burn hotter. Plus if you have a turbo it can eventually cause damage to the compressor wheel, and also have you seen Mel Agne's engine in the Moose truck? It is so freakin clean inside that thing you could eat out of the intake manifold.
The matter is not whether you run a RDT or not, its for guys who want to run a RDT but dont want to have the umbillical cord sticking out from under their truck with plumes of smoke coming from it.

I hear ya', but I'm just asking questions to see if there is some other benefit I'm missing out on. Like I said, the extra heat on the two rear cylinders and the tubo getting gummed up are the two things that concern me about the blowby going into the intake - and eliminating them are the two advantages I can see to the regular RDT and/or this idea.

I guess my big question is how is this going to reduce smoke at the tailpipe? Because some of the statements others have made about it certainly seem to imply that it will. Or did I misread those statements, and they are meant to say that the girls at the drive-through were complaining about "smoke" (actually oil vapor) from and RDT that WASN'T going into the exhaust...
 
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My engine is still pretty strong so I dont have a lot of blowby, but I have noticed at night after a long drive what looks like steam coming from the passenger side of the truck while its cooling down before I shut it off. Its not very noticable but I do see it sometimes.
 

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What size exhaust are you running? We had low suction on our system when plumbed into open headers (had a gauge to meaure it) and noticed low to no suction at idle. Large exhaust would have less volume flowing in low flow circumstances (idle for instance) so it might be the problem. I'm thinking you are running 4 inch exhaust, but I sometimes don't think so well! :)

Yep yer memory's good. The RDT venturi is installed right where the down pipe steps up to 4 ".;Sweet

I've gotta agree at low volume exhaust output at an idle is a disadvantage for the large piped exhaust systems to allow the RDT system to work properly. Anything over 1000 rpms with an open RDT system ( a T installed within the RDT tubing to the exhaust) there was enough air flow for the RDT system to work properly. Which is why I opted to test a closed system. So far it seems to be working good.

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Alright guys, I am wanting to do this to my brown truck while I have everything apart and Im installing a new 4" exhaust at the same time so I really need to figure out what to do.
Should I just remove the CDR all together, and plumb the RDT straight from the valve cover to the exhaust? Or if you use the CDR does it not require a check valve?
I want to do this right, as Im pulling the engine and its going to have all new seals and such in it and I dont want to blow anything out.

I've completly bypassed the CDR all together. Using the Banks adapter on the timing cover is where I tied in the RDT system.

I'd be a little cautious about plumbing the RDT into the valve cover. What you might get at high rpms is an oil draw down effect that there may be enough vaccuum created by the RDT system to suck some of the oil out.

Granted this is only my opinion, from my view what I'd see is on the Banks adapter for my setup, there is a greater distance of "lift" where oil would have a greater challenge of getting into the system.
Whereas an RDT tied into the valve cover where then it would come up off the valve cover and take a 90 degree turn then head downward to the exhaust.

I could see a greater chance of oil making it into the RDT than just crankcase vapors.

Clear as mud yet?

What I can do is get a few pics taken and load them up for an example on my setup.

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I guess my big question is how is this going to reduce smoke at the tailpipe? Because some of the statements others have made about it certainly seem to imply that it will. Or did I misread those statements, and they are meant to say that the girls at the drive-through were complaining about "smoke" (actually oil vapor) from and RDT that WASN'T going into the exhaust...

The girls at the drive thru incident was when I had the RDT system open and a T installed into the tubuing between the engine and the exhaust. Yes there will be some vapor exiting thru the exhaust system pending on how hot your exhaust is and the length of the the exhaust system. Beings my system is installed on a dually crew cab, the vapors are greatly reduced in that situation. After a normal operating drive, I see very little vapor exiting the tailpipe.

Now there is another way which I'm still trying to perfect is a home brewed containment system that will scrub the crankcase vapors to the point that no liquid will enter into the exhaust stream. Then when the canister gets enough liquid scrubbed, I can drain it out periodically.
 
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Dsl_Dog_Catcher said:
Now there is another way which I'm still trying to perfect is a home brewed containment system that will scrub the crankcase vapors to the point that no liquid will enter into the exhaust stream. Then when the canister gets enough liquid scrubbed, I can drain it out periodically.

I've been unsuccessful trying to implement this same idea. If you succeed, please share your info....
 

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I've been unsuccessful trying to implement this same idea. If you succeed, please share your info....

Sure thing.
What I've got so far is a canister with an inlet and an outlet for the gasses to pass thru and a filter media this is well to say the least, ridge vent material. The only problem I see at this point is the canister isn't going to be long enough to create that "still" effect to cool the gasses enough to catch all of the liquid before it heads back out to the exhaust system.
 

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RDT Progress?

Hey Dog Catcher,

Just found this thread. Any progress on the RDT? I decided to NOT get a new CDR and need to figure out an alternative. Thanks for your time!
 

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Hey Dog Catcher,

Just found this thread. Any progress on the RDT? I decided to NOT get a new CDR and need to figure out an alternative. Thanks for your time!

I honestly have not had a lick of time to get a decent vapor container constructed and have been running the RDT into the exhaust.

It will prolly be a winter project if things slow down a bit and I can work on a few projects on the truck once it goes into storage for the winter.

I am noticing some wet spots around the joints which are indicating that I am getting enough residue in the exhaust system that will need to be addressed soon tho.
 

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Ahh, then the oil mist doesn't burn completely in the exhaust like I had hoped. Maybe if it was closer to the exhaust manifold? Piping those crankcase fumes into the exhaust sure is a neat/clean approach, GOTTA be someway to really make it work. Thanks for writing back so soon.
 

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What about a regular catch can?
http://www.fredbeansparts.com/servlet/the-1454/TurboXS-Universal-Oil-Catch/Detail

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I honestly have not had a lick of time to get a decent vapor container constructed and have been running the RDT into the exhaust.

It will prolly be a winter project if things slow down a bit and I can work on a few projects on the truck once it goes into storage for the winter.

I am noticing some wet spots around the joints which are indicating that I am getting enough residue in the exhaust system that will need to be addressed soon tho.
 

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Ahh, then the oil mist doesn't burn completely in the exhaust like I had hoped. Maybe if it was closer to the exhaust manifold? Piping those crankcase fumes into the exhaust sure is a neat/clean approach, GOTTA be someway to really make it work. Thanks for writing back so soon.

Nope, on a long hard run, I can smell it being burnt off in the pipes making sludge in the pipe I'm sure.cookoo
 

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I had been thinking about doing a catch can way back when, but never did for one reason or another.

Might still consider doing that, although first and foremost I need to fix the grommet on my CDR as it's cracked and you can see where oil is blowing out of that crack.

BTW apparently I've got a bit of blow by as when I take off my intake tube there is always a considerable amount of oil in there.
 
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Just rigged a temporary breather tube or road draft tube out the drivers side on my E350 tonight and boy does it SMOKE at idle. People at the stop light look and shake their heads and I'm sure it's just a matter of time till I get pulled over by The Fuzz.

Didn't notice significantly more smoke under acceleration. What does this mean? Sloppy rings? Normal? Smoke looks whitish and smells more like oil than anything else. ****** if the engine needs work. Just bought the RV last week. Thanks for your help!

P.S. I sure can understand the need to route this problem into the exhaust/CDR or SOMETHING.
 

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Its pretty normal for these motors to have alot of blow by. I believe its due to the insane 21.5:1 CR. If you are truely worried about the RVs motor, pull a oil sample and send it off to be checked out.
 

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Its normal for it to have smoke at idle. But with a good running engine, it should go away after about 1000-1200rpms
 
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