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Hey guys...

Planning on finally picking up a 'fuge and wanted to know.. is heating the oil required if its already been thinned down to 80/20 wmo/rug?

I hesitate heating the w80 mix as its in my garage and a fire would be catastrophic.

Anyways, thanks
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Good idea, I kinda went to this as well, but my pickup is down right now.
What I would say if it pours well or if you filled a oil can full and poured it out again, and it runs out like something between diesel or gas, should be pretty close.
 

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Heating will get rid of the water as long as you don't 'fuge it too fast.

Go with at least 2000 watts. I have 1000 watt heater, but I have to clean very slow. MY oil doesn't get above 150* on a 90* day. I would like to get it to 200* so I may need 3000 watts on 220V. I only clean during the Summer.
 

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Won't heating also evaporate the RUG from the mix?

The majority of my oil supply has been settling for months.. not too worried about water as I know where it all came from.

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So again, will heating not evaporate the RUG from the mix if its hot enough the dewater the oil?

I was always told to mix with RUG then settle... so most of my current supply is already mixed and I really don't want to throw money down the drain by boiling off the RUG.

I'm wanting to know if w80 is thin enough to allow the fuge to operate without heating. I suppose I could heat it up to 100 or so which wouldn't be hot enough to evaporate the rug...

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Once you have mixed the gasoline you have created a chemical mixture that changes the boiling point of the gasoline. In unmixed amounts the boiling point of gasoline is around 85C, whereas water is 100C, so even in a mixture you will lose gasoline out of the mix, but you will also lose water. I heat my oil probably more than anyone here does, and I notice some loss of gasoline, but also notice a huge difference in the amount of water after I heat. I'm currently heating with 5500W. My indicator that I'm losing too much gasoline is you start to get an opaque white steam vs the darker more translucent steam given off by water. I will cut the heat at that point, as I don't yet have it set up on a thermostat.

But I would definitely suggest heating, because it is possible for water to hold dirt in emulsion just as oil holds water in emulsion. Keep the temp under 180F and you won't lose gas to boiling. Heating the oil helps to mechanically, and chemically remove water, if that makes any sense worded that way. Better put is it will further lower the viscosity of the oil which allows emulsified oil to centrifuge out and the the water that is chemically bonded will evaporate out, but as you suggest, some of the gasoline will also. Necessary evil as I usually put it.
 
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Hmm.. guess I need to find a way to heat this mix then...

Are you guys using drum heaters or something like a water heater element?

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Hmm.. guess I need to find a way to heat this mix then...

Are you guys using drum heaters or something like a water heater element?

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I use a water heater element in a steel pipe with nipples at each end that I clamp my hoses to. Heating this way won't work for a pressure driven 'fuge due to the oil passing through too fast.

Also, I store my oil in 55 gallon drums. I have my pickup tube 1" from the bottom so I don't pull up any junk or water that may settle. Then I dump the remaining oil into a container so I can inspect it. So far I may get a very little water and slim once in a while, but I haven't had any problems.
 

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I heat with a 5500W water heater element dropped in the tank that is hooked up using regular old SJ cord.(rubberized utility cord) I taped the terminals over and then hooked the other end to a switch. Use a Low watt density element, thats the ones folded back over themselves. Or measure the total length of element and calculate the watts per inch. My element is in the range of 130W per inch. The element I was using before that was showing signs of burning out was 185W per inch. I have found that some element packaging is erroneous in reporting the watt density type, so I just measure and calculate. I have not tested it's ability to heat on the go, but I also have a 4500W element threaded into a 1 1/4" tee. I have a 10" nipple threaded into the other side of the T that houses the element and with a bell reducer on the end and will soon hook it up to my rig and see if it can heat the oil from cold to working temperature in one pass.
 
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