fuel price and saving methods

[RKOCH]

DO NOT!!! RUN WVO blended with diesel, it will coke up your engine! It must be heated to 140+ degrees to burn the glycerin or it will coke. It will run fine for a while then hard starting, low power, etc. That is why you have to do the heater conversion to run WVO. Bio can be run in any blend or straight without engine mods and is better for your engine than petro. I make 200 gallons a week of bio in the corner of my garage for 70ish cents a gallon so it does not have to have much room to make it. I run b100 for almost 6 months now.

 

[Exekiel69]

I make 200 gallons a week of bio in the corner of my garage for 70ish cents a gallon so it does not have to have much room to make it. I run b100 for almost 6 months now.

Do you have pics and info about your station, etc. As almost every one else i'm looking for a way to cut the budget for fuel and still run the idi. From all I read so far Bio-diesel seems more doable.

 

[160k87F250]

RKOCH,
I am thinking in terms of WMO only, since I can get plenty of it. Does what you say about the WVO apply to WMO also? What is BIO and how does that work?
John

 

[The Warden]

DO NOT!!! RUN WVO blended with diesel, it will coke up your engine! It must be heated to 140+ degrees to burn the glycerin or it will coke.

If memory serves, there are people out there who are running a 30% WVO mix unheated without issues over an extended period of time. You'll certainly have coking issues if you go higher, but at 30%, it's supposedly safe. I've never tried this myself, so I'm just going by what other people are saying...

RKOCH,
I am thinking in terms of WMO only, since I can get plenty of it. Does what you say about the WVO apply to WMO also? What is BIO and how does that work?

I'm pretty sure that you don't need to heat up waste engine oil. That said, make sure you filter it VERY THOROUGHLY before putting it into your tanks. On a discussion on another board, someone pointed out that WMO has all of the junk that the engine oil filter didn't filter out, and that fuel systems are a lot more susceptible to FOD than oil systems are. While the main fuel filter should catch most to all of it, I personally wouldn't take the chance.

Biodiesel is basically vegetable oil mixed with other chemicals to give you properties identical to diesel fuel you get at the pump. The nice thing with Bio-D is that you don't have to modify the fuel system at all in order to run it. You can actually buy Bio-D from some fuel depots, although it isn't easy to find...retail Bio-D is usually about the same price (or even more expensive) than dino-diesel, and is made with "******" oil. If you get the proper formula and the equipment to do so, you can also brew your own Bio-D using waste vegetable oil instead of ****** oil...but, you have to buy the equipment and the other chemicals, so it's not "free" like running WVO is. It's really a matter of taste...personally, I don't have the facilities to brew Bio-D and didn't want to modify my fuel system, so I'm buying Bio-D from a station in San Jose...

 

[Dsl_Dog_Treat]

Ron,
If you run a 10% solution of WMO, that would be appx 1.9 gallons per fill-up into each tank (appx 19 gallon tanks). You said you were cutting WMO w/ diesel, what do you do? Mix it 50/50 with diesel and then run it through a filter before putting it into the truck tanks? And do you add it when you fill-up? Here is what I am thinking. You prepare 1.5 gallons of WMO (little less than 10% to start off with) by mixing with 1.5 gallons of diesel. Run the 3 gallons of 50/50 WMO/diesel through a filter ( I'm thinking of a used fuel filter head from a junked 6.9/7.3 and an electric fuel pump) into a clean container. Then take the container to the fuel pumps, pour it into the tank and then fill up. Is this all I have to do? It sound easy and could be a money saver. I'm just a little leary because I just installed a new IP in Jan. and I don't want to damage it in any way. Thanks
John

John,
Yes but 2 gallons of WMO and about the same in diesel to cut it down abit to thin it out to strain any junk.
I use a fine screen filter after mixing things up and filter it out. Then into the tank it goes when I fill up. That's it.
I have been conversing with a gentleman over yonder on drama stop and he has been running the same setup I am using and has had no ill effects on his IP. Notices a bit more power with the hight burning BTU's. He changes his fuel filters @ 15,000 miles and can see no difference of mixing WMO @ 10% than that of just diesel fuel thru the filter.
He also has placed a magnet on the bottom of his tank and raised up the pickup screen a tad to allow for some sediment settling but of course decreases fuel allowability.
Just to let ya know, Goldie has an IP with only 8,000 miles on it.
It does sound pretty simple and yes takes care of the used motor oil from 3 diesel pickups.
DON"T use brake fluid of gear oil tho according to Russ as he mentioned today.

Good luck,

 

[160k87F250]

Thanks Ron,
Looks like I'll have to get a few things set up but overall a very easy thing to do. I'll have my choice of WMO, so I can pick from only low mileage late model vehicles that have had their oil changed at 3k intervals. Less chance for contaminates. I am also thinking of adding a 2nd fuel filter to the truck in place of the 6.9 water seperator.
John

 

[rthomas]

wow, i missed this one (been very busy) ron- that was my oil storage tank i was refering to with the magnets and the above the bottem valve, ive done nothing to fuel system on the truck
our mechanic at work back in the early 70's worked on the trans alaska pipeline and they had a big problem with pumps and injectors going bad when they were running arctic diesel (very dry simaler to jet fuel) someone figured out that adding wmo to the fuel cured the problem. the same guy told me that about the same time you could buy kits for onsite fuel pumps that would mix wmo with fuel as it was pumped into the tank.
i did some snooping around before i started buning wmo and found this was a very commen way of disposing of wmo in years gone by.
when researching this i was hard pressed to find a reason not to burn wmo, in fact im well convinced that its good for our pumps and injectors.

 

[Exekiel69]

do you know where to get those kits?

Thank you, Exekiel.

 

[Dsl_Dog_Treat]

wow, i missed this one (been very busy) ron- that was my oil storage tank i was refering to with the magnets and the above the bottem valve, ive done nothing to fuel system on the truck

Shows how good I have been paying attention.
Russ,
I have been as far as 10% now this week and have noticed some more spunk in the Gold one.
I am eying up my spare fuel filter setup to possibly filter things down a bit more but thinking it might be too much for the filter media being pushed by an electric pump mixed 50/50.

 

[rthomas]

ron, how's your smoke at 10%? mine smokes and stinks plenty- even on straight #2 i just notice no more smoke unless i get it up around 12%, my pump and inj. have about 120k on them and are probabley pretty tired, i bet you could run a little higher% with a good fuel system. that cummins motor i told you about, if i remember correctly i had that at around 15% and it didnt smoke at all, and it has new pump and injectors, the power increase was dramatic in that- i hate to guess #'s but it was very noticeable

 

[Dsl_Dog_Treat]

ron, how's your smoke at 10%? mine smokes and stinks plenty- even on straight #2 i just notice no more smoke unless i get it up around 12%, my pump and inj. have about 120k on them and are probabley pretty tired, i bet you could run a little higher% with a good fuel system. that cummins motor i told you about, if i remember correctly i had that at around 15% and it didnt smoke at all, and it has new pump and injectors, the power increase was dramatic in that- i hate to guess #'s but it was very noticeable

Russ,
Wasn't any different @ 10% cause I have the pump turned up a flat and a half on Goldie, the injectors don't even have 3k on them yet and the motor has only around 35 k on it.
I can detect the true ga$$er oil burnin smell if I let her sit there and idle for a couple of minutes but can't detect anything different smoke-wise while underway.....Plenty before.

 

[160k87F250]

I've got my first batch of WMO cut down and is being filtered right now before it goes into the tank. I bought a 10micron fuel filter from TSC that is suppose to go on aux fuel tank fill hoses (for farms,etc) and running a 50/50 mix of diesel/WMO throuigh it by means of an electric automotive fuel pump. I'm guessing I'll let it run overnight and in the morning pour it into the tank and go fill up. Hope it works out.
John H

 

[spg]

Any updates on the WMO as a fuel projects from anyone?

 

[Dsl_Dog_Treat]

Going back to my mix as soon as the weather tries to get warmer here.
I noticed more crank time on startup on colder weather. In the 30's created a couple seconds more of cranking with 20-25% WMO mix.
Didn't feel like burning things up with the thicker mix.

 

[Exekiel69]

As soon as I get more space I will get started with something, for now I just gather info. I do have to decide if it is wvo or biodiesel what I want to use, wvo is less work but I have to convert the fuel system or at least the tank to it, Bio-D no need for adapting to it, but it does need some work to do it and the lack of step by stet pics has Me undecided yet.