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Finally got tired of the "will it start with the key or am I going to have to roll to flat ground somewhere so I can just the solenoid" !
I have been chasing this issue for over a year and this is the first time I have actually had it still present when I got it in the shop to figure it out. Somewhere in the starter solenoid wire is a short to ground but I couldn't find it, so I ran a new wire.
This isn't the fix I wanted but the issue usually only happened when you really needed it to start with the key, like in a really busy gas station parking lot with sloped parking.
James