Injector pump mods

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I’ve read on a Chevy forum that the DB2 has a fuel metering leaf spring that can be shaved or removed to allow more fuel. Also a head from a 4 cylinder will push more fuel. Does anyone have any experience with these mods? I have a few IP that I thought about trying this with.
 

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Can you post a picture of the pump you have along with the serial number? I can tell you what you need from there to get more fuel.
 

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Can you post a picture of the pump you have along with the serial number? I can tell you what you need from there to get more fuel.
I don’t have a pic on me that will be close enough. I know one was rebuilt by international rebuilding services and another by a company in Fort smith AR. They are DB2 IP.

Edit: one I was able to turn 3 1/2 flats, the other won’t budge at all. I have a few more but they need to be rebuilt.
 

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These pumps are pretty much all the same, but the year of the pump matters for what you can upgrade. The earlier pumps have less adjustment, need less work to make more fuel, but usually need the most work to rebuild.
 

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These pumps are pretty much all the same, but the year of the pump matters for what you can upgrade. The earlier pumps have less adjustment, need less work to make more fuel, but usually need the most work to rebuild.
Here is both of the working pumps.
The standadyne labeled ones numbers are
DB24369
Model # & RPM E30 (I think)
5231718
Serial # & manufacturing DFS-2-93

The international fuel systems label is
Model DB2-4746
Batch 12024
Also it has 991588C91 and
113098MMA
 

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Thanks for the helpful pictures, since those pumps look to be both rebuilt at some point in their lifetime it’s kinda a crapshoot what they have for internals. So I’ll give you a broad overview of what all is done to these pumps to perform better.

From top to bottom, late model cases (92+) have a preboost fuel adjustment, this is known most commonly as the “torque screw” this limits your low rpm fuel, counter clockwise gives you more fuel. Older cases do not have this adjustment screw, so they have max fuel available at all rpms.

Removing the governor rod, you have two springs that sit over the rod, the longer one controls your maximum rpm. Stretch the spring ~1” for an extra ~500 rpm. 2” gives you ~800. You will need to readjust your idle screw after this change.

Everyone knows the fuel screw on the side of the pump, clockwise is more fuel of course. Some pumps you will be able to turn more which generally means a healthier pump, often times this fuel adjustment is used in a rebuild to get a worn pump back within minimum fuel spec, but clearances are still on the loose side, so not really the right way to rebuild.

Getting deeper into the pump is the leaf spring you mentioned, you can crank down on the adjustment screw but if the pump has been apart by a rebuilder chances are you won’t have much adjustment here, and you won’t get much fuel from just maxing that screw out. I have a stage 3 leaf spring available that will pretty much max out that pump without major porting, or going to a 4 plunger design. Stage three leaf spring puts a pump in the 85-95cc range depending on rotor wear.

8 cylinder db4s are getting close to impossible to find these days, and a worth their weight in gold. Which is why I’m working on an in-line pump conversion for these trucks.
 

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Thanks for the helpful pictures, since those pumps look to be both rebuilt at some point in their lifetime it’s kinda a crapshoot what they have for internals. So I’ll give you a broad overview of what all is done to these pumps to perform better.

From top to bottom, late model cases (92+) have a preboost fuel adjustment, this is known most commonly as the “torque screw” this limits your low rpm fuel, counter clockwise gives you more fuel. Older cases do not have this adjustment screw, so they have max fuel available at all rpms.

Removing the governor rod, you have two springs that sit over the rod, the longer one controls your maximum rpm. Stretch the spring ~1” for an extra ~500 rpm. 2” gives you ~800. You will need to readjust your idle screw after this change.

Everyone knows the fuel screw on the side of the pump, clockwise is more fuel of course. Some pumps you will be able to turn more which generally means a healthier pump, often times this fuel adjustment is used in a rebuild to get a worn pump back within minimum fuel spec, but clearances are still on the loose side, so not really the right way to rebuild.

Getting deeper into the pump is the leaf spring you mentioned, you can crank down on the adjustment screw but if the pump has been apart by a rebuilder chances are you won’t have much adjustment here, and you won’t get much fuel from just maxing that screw out. I have a stage 3 leaf spring available that will pretty much max out that pump without major porting, or going to a 4 plunger design. Stage three leaf spring puts a pump in the 85-95cc range depending on rotor wear.

8 cylinder db4s are getting close to impossible to find these days, and a worth their weight in gold. Which is why I’m working on an in-line pump conversion for these trucks.

Very cool! I want to get as much power from my build as reliably possible. I don’t really care about fuel mileage as I only live 5 minutes from work and I won’t be going long distances with it anyways.
 

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Also, how much for that spring? Can I mail you my two good pumps and have you go through them both? Also, what can you do with Bb’s?
 

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Pm me and we can go from there, I can set those pumps up with as much fuel as you want. I can clean up the bbs, pressure match them and check the pattern, if they need new nozzles they will all get them, but if they are new injectors probably just a bit of shimming to get the pressures right.
 

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If you really want to push those two turbos, you may want to go with larger injectors from Justin or Mel. Just another suggestion.
 

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If you really want to push those two turbos, you may want to go with larger injectors from Justin or Mel. Just another suggestion.

I’m kinda on the fence on buying “higher flow injectors”.
I’ve followed Justin’s posts on the different sites and he said “the stock BB’s can flow enough for 500hp” (the quote may not be word for word but it is a general idea. I’m just not sure on that part. I have 3 sets of BBs and that’s all I’ve ever ran. A turbo cal pump and a set of rebuilt bbs pushed my 1st gen psd turbo that I put on my old 94IDIT f-Super pretty nicely. I was running about 20 psi and it whistled like crazy.
 

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Maybe you can make the BB's flow that much. I have no idea. I've seen a lot of people post on here that they got a big gain by switching to higher flowing injectors over their BB's. Where's Macrobb? I'm sure he'd have more to say about this than I do. I wonder if those BB's of Justin's were stock or modified in some way to flow more than "stock"?
 

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The stock injectors are really quite oversized from the factory and don’t really become a restriction till about 300hp, and even then it’s not much. I’m sure on a 500hp idi every bit helps, but for a more mild build (300hp/700tq range)good atomizing injectors work really well.
 

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That makes sense then. 300 flywheel HP is a good target and should still be extremely reliable. Since I'm not going trying to out do any of the diesel ricers that are everywhere these days, I think the BB's will be fine for me. I was thinking that Turbo Surge was wanting to get the maximum that he could out of his engine and that's why I suggested the higher flowing injectors.
 
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